It's About Time! Immodest Gravesites Are Ruining Judaism as We Know It!

[onionsoupmix]

I'm really happy that someone finally wrote an article about the very important topic of tznius at the Rebbe's Ohel.

Because if there's any place that gets the hormones flowing and the unchaste passions stirring, it's for sure a holy rabbi's gravesite.

I don't even understand how anyone is expected to have any self control the way things are now,

Comments

[oneironstring]

Oy. The Rebbe must be spinning in his grave to have these orgies going on around him.

[anonymous]

> as a bocher their are a lot of prety girls davinig for a shiduch there. it is distracting

Maybe it’s just me, but if this bochur thinks the girls davening for a shidduch are pretty, maybe he should do something to help their prayers be answered - like asking them out.

About the shoe thing, you have to take off your shoes to visit the Rebbe’s grave? That’s… weird. Is the ohel supposed to be the Beis HaMikdash?

G*3

Is the ohel supposed to be the Beis HaMikdash?

[stjust]

well, it seems that the succah is going up in kedusha.
many years ago, when i visited, there was no requirement
to remove one's shoes.

[anonymous]

I had the same thought. What's wrong with singles of marriageable age seeing each other, especially since they are obviously on the same religious path and want to get married?

JRKmommy

[onionsoupmix]

re : Shoes

http://www.ohelchabad.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/78447/jewish/Conduct.htm

It seems only leather shoes are a problem.

Perverts

[vz85]

Seriously, people. You are raising a generation of adults who cannot think about something other than sex for the thirty minutes it takes to go in and read your letter and say the prayers and leave.

It appears that you are also raising a generation of pervs:

Why a man should have in front of his eyes a woman who takes off her shoes?

I think this fellow may have a foot fetish.

[ruchel]

Pervs, fetishists... have always existed. And it's good if they keep whatever chumra exists to try to behave normally. But I don't see why the world at large should imitate them or take various weird things upon themselves.

Anon, VZ, STjust, I totally agree...

[squirrels_owl]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that excessive separation of the genders is exactly what causes some of these problems. It seems that bochurim and married men have been raised so that they cannot maintain any sort of kavannah in the presence of a woman, It makes me wonder how they manage the many blessings which are a wonderful and integral part of our Yiddishe life in the home.

Yes one should encourage good levels of Tznius, i.e. covered hair for married women (sheitel or tichel according to choice), sensible necklines, covered arms, legs covered at least to knee (personally I favour ankle length skirts and opaque tights for warmth or for shorter skirts). What I do not favour are the rules about colour or clothing types. For the rest I want to be able to walk down the stree with my DH even if we do not pray together and think that supervised interaction between the bochurim and maidels will help them to relate better to each other when the time comes for Shidduchim.

[onionsoupmix]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that excessive separation of the genders is exactly what causes some of these problems

It has occured. But apparently only to you and me :)

has occured to me too

[stjust]

flg is a real conversation that took place about our shul:
"... does any body see what goes on in our shul in the corridors on shabbat?"
"..What? What?"
"don't you see the boys and girls mingling, and (gasp) talking to each other?"
"wow, is there no end to these things?"
and i think to myself, aren't we lucky that:
- they 'do' talk to each other -they could be talking to others, u know??
- here on shul grounds? for all you know, they could actually, if they wished get togother @ mcdonald's for a sabbath breakfast.
- sabbath is no longer the domain of the observants, u know?

[tesyaa]

Why are rules requiring certain levels of tznius "sensible" but you do not favor other rules? Don't you realize that you are merely drawing the line differently than the group whose rules you don't favor?