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onionsoupmix

For My Most Feministishe Readers

Nov 19, 2009 16:56

I don't have a lot of time to write because finals are coming up already and I have to worry about evidence and business associations exams.

But I just wanted to let you feministishe ladies know that Rav Moshe Feinstein thought you are just as good as any man. in fact, he says here that "to think that women somehow are considered less than men is ( Read more... )

shul, women, rabbis, tznius

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hannahsarah November 19 2009, 22:44:34 UTC

And if you worry about what other people think about you or write about you, then you've got way too much time on your hands.

onionsoupmix November 20 2009, 00:48:26 UTC

So that means that you are not concerned that women can't get these jobs- can't be a mashgicha in some places, can't work in sales in some businesses? That sort of discrimination does not concern you? Really?

hannahsarah November 20 2009, 01:22:43 UTC

I don't know about New York, but Washington is a "right to work" state. That means that your employer has the right to decide who works in which department, and if you don't like it you have the right to go work somewhere else.

As a libertarian, I don't approve of anyone being able to come in and tell anyone else how to run their business. The next thing you know, religious protection will be out the window, too. Do you really want a non Jew doing your kashrus supervision? I know I don't.

onionsoupmix November 20 2009, 01:43:45 UTC

Right-to-work states, as far as I understand, have to do with whether or not unionizing is a condition of employment. Not with gender discrimination.

As far as I understand, federal discrimination laws still apply, even in Washington.

Also, since you are concerned about religious protection and you also don't want anyone to be able to come in and tell anyone how to run their business, please explain, from a libertarian perspective, why employers should not discriminate against Jews. So, should it be okay for IBM to refuse to hire any Jews? How does that fit in with religious protection?

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Been there, done that hamaskil November 20 2009, 02:13:19 UTC

All men and women are equal, but some are more equal than others :)

llennhoff November 20 2009, 03:51:15 UTC

On a related note. when people tell you you can't be chazarat Hashatz (lead the repetition of the amidah) remember that we learn all the halachot of the amidah from Hannah;s silent prayer. Of course, men learn how to react to women's spirituality from the High Priest who thought Hannah was drunk and wanted to drive her away.

onionsoupmix November 20 2009, 05:37:47 UTC

last line's quite good, lol:)

bringing_peace December 1 2009, 02:15:27 UTC

OOOOoooooh, this is good one!
I'll definitely pass it around!

Thank G-d for diversity! ב‘ ’ה 24816 November 20 2009, 18:06:09 UTC

There are different levels of feminism and reactions to it. Thanks to free choice Jewish people will sort things out and pick the ones that work.

Don’t assume that it is going to be your way. It seems that small percentage of supermoms put a pressure on rest of the women to measure up at the cost of perpetual guilt, broken families, etc.

Don’t contribute to the following nonsense:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8361863.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Rav Moshe thought you were as good as any man anonymous November 23 2009, 13:38:16 UTC

Huh? When I'm denied Jewish privileges that men take for granted, treated with disrespect, and barred from jobs in frum world, I'm to soothe myself with the thoughts of a dead man? His thoughts do not change tachlis. Your offering of "comfort" is a clear statement that women are mistreated and need that comfort.

Re: Rav Moshe thought you were as good as any man onionsoupmix November 23 2009, 13:40:32 UTC

this post is sarcastic, as are many of my entries. Welcome.