In for a penny, in for a pound

[olegvolk]

When Germans came into Poland, Poles made no more sporting shotguns.They made Sten clones. When Russians went into Chechniya, Chechens made no sporting shotguns, either. They made various submachine guns. Should US anti-gun creatures succeed in driving regular rifles and shotguns out of legal circulation, they will see more submachine guns as well

Comments

[ua_dubhne]

Here yah go...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6455380/Survival-Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-9Mm-Sub-Machine-Gun-Complete-Instructions

[ua_dubhne]

Hmmm....

*files away in a dark, hidden store for use... later.*

*anon for obvious reasons*

[ua_dubhne]

There's no need to be that secretive.

Here's the paper version, on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-9mm-Submachine/dp/0873649834/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1294843178&sr=8-1

They even have it on Kindle.

[slav_cyborg]

Poland is populated by civilized White people. At the same time Chechniya is populated by tribes with low level of culture. So the parallel can be incorrect.

[seadevil001]

Chechens are white, which indicate that level of culture does not correlate with skin color. At least in some places. Poles actually not far ahead with thier ethernal chip on the shoulder. Thier problem seems that Poland wanted to be a Russia, but did not made it.

[slav_cyborg]

Such debates leads to nothing.

[seadevil001]

Yes, most of the time.

[jdege]

It's called the Iron Law of Prohibition. When sale of all alcohol was made illegal, the bootleggers didn't smuggle wine or beer.

[staghounds]

Yes they did.

[staghounds]

Just as modern bootleggers smuggle marijuana, cocaine, heroin, bear bladders, DVDs...

[jdege]

But not in the same ratios as they did when beer was legal.

http://pc.blogspot.com/2006/11/more-prohibition-worse-drugs-friedmans.html

Um..yea

[anonymous]

I love the photos of all those modern Chinese home built SMGs. Or the ones built in Germany after the war, when the country was disarmed. And the ones in Hong Kong, a place infamous for strict gun control today.

Maybe disarmament is only a component. Perhaps there's a distinction between civilian disarmament during times of peace, and underground weapons manufacture during times of war and occupation?

Anyone have any photos of modern, illegal, home made SMGs from a country with strict gun control that is not at war or violent revolution?

If folks are able to steal ammunition, they're likely able to steal firearms. They likely have a better chance stealing or smuggling AK 47's today than manufacturing Sten clones in hobbyist basements. The modern black market in arms is quite robust as I understand it.

Re: Um..yea

[olegvolk]

You are right that buying, stealing or capturing guns is easier than home manufacturing. But I show these to explain that even tight control over complete weapons is unlikely to stop their proliferation.

Re: Um..yea

[olegvolk]

Also noting that 1920s Germany had civilian weapons, but those were mostly pistols and hunting long guns. Besides, general access to manufacturing facilities has much improved recently.

Re: Um..yea

[jdege]

There was a joke, back in the days the the Brits occupied Palestine,
about a poor Jew, working in a sewing machine factory, who thought
he'd surprise his wife with a new sewing machine for her birthday, by
smuggling the parts out one-by-one. But when tried to put the parts
together, no matter what he did, he ended up with a submachinegun.

[staghounds]

http://staghounds.blogspot.com/2010/02/danish-resistance-museum.html