Goth girls of cinema & TV - a non-definitive NYT retrospective

[irajaxon]

Beetlejuice may be the title character, but the NYT knows we all showed up for Lydia Deetz. In this little retrospective, they pay homage to our black-wearing foremothers and newcomers:

As “Beetlejuice Beetlejuice” brings together two generations of legendary goth girls - Winona Ryder and Jenna Ortega - we look at some of the actresses and roles

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[therearewords]

Was Evil Willow a Goth?

[tsukino]

Don't forget Alt Universe Vamp Willow. Not all black, but def a goff goff. Loved that version of her. And tbh I feel like Willows whole style, once she embraced being a lesbian, is what the youths are now calling whimsy goth. Though, it was probably more Tara's fashion influence than her own. I think they shared clothing.

[therearewords]

Vampire Willow, how could I have forgotten about her!

[genbu_no_miko24]

Krysten Ritter has pretty much kept a goth-ish look all her career.

[ohwutevernvm]

Love it! Wish there’s the same energy for black goth girls too. Hard to think of anyone potentially making to this list but maybe Rachel True (aka Rochelle) from The Craft. Eh… that was close wasn’t it

[sandstorm]

She's the first one I thought of, but I'm sure we can look at Cree Summers' IMDB page to find at least one more.

[irajaxon]

i agree! if you look at the whole list from the article, aside from jenna ortega, it is entirely white. it's a bummer, and long past time representation in/about subcultures, especially goth, is better (there might a be a cool ontd original there!).

while rochelle (and rachel true, irl) is definitely a witch, i never think of her as goth. she has more of an ~earthy witch vibe.

kat blaque is not a fictional character, but she's a goth girl through and through!

[ohwutevernvm]

I agree with you right there. That was why I brought up Rochelle though she ain’t one of ‘em goths but ehh that was close enuff. It feels like… well, it is not about ~pure aesthetics of what it means to be a goth when come to these list that happened to have white people with long past time representation in/about these mentioned subcultures. I can vibe with this list so much bc that was what I grew up with and am with you all the way. I love it.

Yet it’s so difficult bc I see so many black people especially other people of color with Afro Punk, Goth, Alt lifestyles getting flack and dragged thru mud from communities for not being black enough bc of it. We cannot win. Made me wonder if we’d peep at least one or two black goths, if for main character or Final Girl energy, who can act tf outta em on screen in this lifetime tho.

Ohh. Kat Blaque! Great example. Yeah exactly. That’s wassup

[anterrabre]

Death from The Sandman, everyone in The Craft, and Lisbeth are my goth ladies.

[sandstorm]

Despite thinking Monster High is delightful...I realized they don't have an outright goth character. The entire thing would be considered "goth" to parents who don't know the difference between that and macabre, or are fearful of black in outfits, but it's not really. I guess Draculaura is close.

[kerosene_pill]

Elissabat, Spectra, and I'd even argue Twyla could definitely be considered goth in the traditional sense IMO! And Ula D is for sure a textbook perky goth lol

[sandstorm]

omfg I still have that 17 Inch Elissabat in my office and I somehow forgot ALL about her.

[kerosene_pill]

omfg I completely forgot they released her in the Big size! What a wild time lol