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littlehayzay February 24 2024, 04:02:21 UTC
I started listening to this at work, I am so curious if they bring up a podcast she was on a few months prior to the shooting where she said she was barely around guns until she was almost an adult cause her dad didn’t want her to be and then subsequently has claimed she was around them her whole life lol and that he trained her as a kid

Just got to the part in the opening where the defense is hyping up her experience as a kid on movie sets too, wow.

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squirrels_oh_no February 24 2024, 07:25:30 UTC
I always got the impression from what I've read about her and her father that the only connection she ever had with him was through guns since that was hia life and career and she wasn't really otherwise part of his life.

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pseudonygma February 24 2024, 04:19:05 UTC
Even if she did bring a real gun to work, I don't understand how it got mixed up with the prop guns and ended up in someone else's hands. I'm assuming she brought it for protection so why wasn't it on her at all times?

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sarahvma February 24 2024, 04:22:29 UTC
I think what was alleged was that she used a prop gun to fire real bullets while on break.

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lilith20godrich February 24 2024, 09:26:19 UTC
Why would she bring it for protection on movie set?

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sarahvma February 24 2024, 16:54:11 UTC
For clarity, a prop gun is often just a gun. There are many people who have stated for years that it makes no sense to use real weapons on set even with blanks - for precisely this reason.

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bostongirl2003 February 24 2024, 04:19:26 UTC

it is still unbelievable to me that the AD (who also had a record of dangerous behavior with weapons on set) who was the one who HANDED Baldwin the gun without checking it and said "cold gun" got misdemeanor charges.

I thought the crew who quit reported that multiple people were taking the guns and using them for target practice. This set was a shit-show for gun safety.

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jemgirl90 February 24 2024, 05:12:23 UTC
I believe that David Halls was able to cop a plea because he has info on Baldwin that will help the Prosecutors with the negligence charge.

From the very beginning this production was taking away money from gun safety.

Originally the DA said that two to five people were going to be indicated.

Halls would have been one of those people
He has a longer alleged history of negligence towards safety then the armor.
We will see.

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bostongirl2003 February 24 2024, 05:26:12 UTC

reading up on everything leading up to this, there is so much stupidity. Starting with cutting the armorer budget on a film focused on gun fights, and then making the only (inexperienced) armorer ALSO the props assistant?

but bottom line, this was a rehearsal. That gun should not have been on the set, it should not have had anything at all in it, they all were supposed to check it. Was the armorer even ON the set when the shooting went down? I can't find a clear answer of where she was when it happened or why Halls was the one to pass Baldwin the gun when it should have been her.

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jemgirl90 February 24 2024, 11:56:12 UTC
The armorer was not on set.

She was sent to lunch.

The guns were on a tray that the ad picked up and handed to Baldwin.

Below is some of the 911 call.

Most outlets omitted this
part.

This fucking AD that yelled at me at lunch asking about revisions, this motherfucker," Mitchell says, appearing to be in conversation with someone who was not on the call. "He's supposed to check the guns. He's responsible for what happened."

https://www.businessinsider.com/911-caller-rust-movie-set-blames-assistant-director-gun-firing-2021-10

This article lays out the day a bit more.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/rust-armorer-fair-shot-trial-1235823841/amp/

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sarahvma February 24 2024, 04:24:58 UTC
One thing that’s always confused me: was Hutchins killed by a real bullet or a dummy round? I feel like that’s somehow unclear.

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jemgirl90 February 24 2024, 04:38:26 UTC
A real bullet.

There were 6 real bullets found all around the set.

Defense says the gun shop must have mixed them up with the dummy's.

No one knows why or how the same deal bullets got on set.

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totteringg February 24 2024, 16:28:04 UTC
Wasn’t it reported that crew members were shooting with live ammunition on breaks?

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genbu_no_miko24 February 24 2024, 04:33:58 UTC
"Defense attorneys say Ms. Gutierrez-Reed is not to blame and is being smeared and unfairly scapegoated."

Really though? cause she's got history of negligence and lacking basics:

"was repeatedly accused by crew members of breaking basic safety protocols on the Montana set of Cage’s “The Old Way” in August, they told the Wrap.

Cage even walked off set screaming at Gutierrez-Reed after she fired a gun without warning for the second time in three days, the movie’s key grip, Stu Brumbaugh, told the outlet.

“Make an announcement, you just blew my f-ing eardrums out!” Cage yelled before walking off in a rage, Brumbaugh recalled.

"She also walked around with pistols tucked under her armpits such that they were pointing back at people, and allowed firearms to be aimed at people, Brumbaugh told the Wrap."https://nypost.com/2021/10/27/rookie-rust-armorer-made-nicolas-cage-storm-off-previous-set-after- ( ... )

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