Comments | notsobigheaded: The different levels of things: why I (mostly!) retcon Jack is the Face of Boe.

shinyopals in notsobigheaded

The different levels of things: why I (mostly!) retcon Jack is the Face of Boe.

Sep 17, 2007 20:35

Note: I wrote this a couple of weeks ago when I had no net, I'm just getting around to posting it now.This sort of post is what happens when I have a couple of weeks off the internet. I get thinking and I get typing. You guys should see the fics I've been writing. Not much good and unfinished but a hell of a lot of stuff! Anyway, to the point of ( Read more... )

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donutsweeper September 17 2007, 20:07:23 UTC

Amen. Add in the fact that in "The Long Game" the news reports that the FOB is pregnant. How does a human head (even a mutated one) get pregnant?

Jack's Not that Big Headed donutsweeper September 18 2007, 00:40:06 UTC

This puts an interesting angle on Jack's comments in the opening scene of Torchwood where he muses about having been pregnant!

ceindreadh September 18 2007, 22:57:56 UTC

To be fair though, I took it that the 'news' in 'The Long Game' wasn't necessarily factual i.e. the controller was making sure that only selected news got through and the rest was all just cobbled together to keep the masses watching.
(mind you, i'm still stuck on the 'how the heck can a live head be in a jar???')

donutsweeper September 18 2007, 23:02:32 UTC

hmmm... good point. I do, however, maintain my right to take retcon and forget that little line ever existed at the end of "LOTTL"

lyore September 18 2007, 13:44:36 UTC

I agree with this post, except that my emotional reactions to it were more mixed than yours. While I agree with you about the horror of living forever, my main complaint was that the Doctor didn't know/relate to him as Jack, and somehow that just robbed the meeting of its resonance and made me feel sad for Jack.

although to be fair, I will admit that part of it might be I'm more attached to my version of Jack's eventual death. If I believe this, then I got jossed a week after writing it, damnit! :)

in from who daily anonymous September 18 2007, 21:03:56 UTC

I hated that revelation.

I cared about the FoB. It was a big muppet in a jar, It was a mystery, It was an alien we only saw what? three? times. The Face of Boe was a character all on it's own. I was sad when it sacrificed itself to save the people in gridlock.

To make the FoB Jack is like killing him twice. It's a cheat. It's saying there was no FoB, it was Jack the whole time. So the sorrow I felt for the Face of Boe is now revealed to be feeling for Jack.
I like Jack and I'll be sad when he dies (for the last time). He deserves his own end. I agree that eternal life is a potentially horrific end. I hope Jack gets to die someday, But I want it to be JACK'S death not some bad retro-fit.

violet_lane December 24 2007, 00:19:08 UTC

Completely agree with you. It's so depressing to think that Jack ends up like, as I saw no similarities between the two personality-wise. And to think of Jack living out all of his years all alone as the last of his kind (mentioned in New Earth) just...saddens me. I think I'll just live in denial about it. xD

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shinyopals February 9 2008, 13:48:22 UTC

I quite like that theory. I think I believe that on the whole the Doctor is telling the truth about the "you're wrong" thing, but makes you wonder if things would have been different if he hadn't had to regenerate (and therefore had no worries that he'd need to prove himself to Rose) or if Jack hadn't been a potential rival.