Rewatched Time of Angels, it was pretty epic. Teaser sequence remains one of the coolest things ever ever ever. RIVER FUCKING SONG. Skipped scariest bits, obvs
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All very interesting. It baffles me why anyone attaches so much importance to whether or not they like a character I started noticing this in book reviews about fifteen years ago - and it really annoyed me - now I'm getting used to it
Teaser sequence remains one of the coolest things ever ever ever.
It is in close competition with the teaser sequence from Ep 12.
I do think there's been Less Gay, every show has slashy subtext if you're looking for it but Rusty wrote in clearly queer characters. That doesn't make Moff evil, it's just a trade-off. It is nice that fandom has come to expect gay, but I'm not sure all of that is actually genuine...
All teaser sequences should have River in them, to make them better.
I would like some more overtness, but then when we had Rusty I was always thinking "but if it was a bit more..." because it could get drowned out by how hetero the main storylines were. We didn't get any gay characters though this year, did we? But then it seems obvious that the gay man would care more about such representation than the straight one. But then idk how much fandom really did care about it. No one seemed at all fussed about the loss of the Doctor's sexless-sexuality and how that put off some of the gay fans the fandom's traditionally been full of.
it could get drowned out by how hetero the main storylines were.
Yah, and in such an ugly normative way. Moff actually wrote Jack a whole lot better and less marginalised than Rusty IMO. Judging by his other work I think this is a symptom of his generally patronising attitude towards his now-wider audience.
And yeah, basically certain sections of fandom started noticing dodgy gender politics when it became useful in their war against Women Who Aren't Rose and The Writers Who Love Them. Invisibility is the default and they probably wouldn't care otherwise.
Jack was completely fucked over it always made me feel uncomfortable. To the point where people talking about gay-friendly characters in DW I just don't think of Jack because HELLO he was left for dead, forgotten, and then openly treated like a "freak." Oh and was in love with the Doctor and rejected. Nice.
Sometimes I think that shit is because people had A Point and An Issue with Marthagate and maybe "the other side" thought it would be a fine idea to pretend Issues in the war against people who don't like Rose enough. Like when Certain People complain about classism while slagging off Jackie and Mickey and having no problem with horrid Cinderella fanfic.
Doctor/Master's always been "subtextual" -- incredibly freaking flaming but not underlined by the text. I'll give him credit there, a relationship totally came through. He should trust those instincts more.
I am amused by how some Amy haters are actually afraid that Eleven/Amy will end up together. It is adorable, because a) people still don't know what they're watching, and b) see, I told you all it wasn't just me. XD
I am not fundamentally blech at RTD's writing of emotional content, but I also don't see anything lacking in Moff's writing of it, so...uh?
I wish there was more mention of gay characters, but I wouldn't say that the show has entirely lost track of it. After all, the Doctor is remarkably comfortable being in the personal space of guys all the time. I am constantly going--wow, Doctor, way to invade Rory's personal space and get all touchy feely. Of course, he kind of does that with Amy too. Threesome! Of course, I am crap at writing threesomes, so thank you Mr. Moffat for your ridiculously happy endings that allow threesomes to be possible (Grrr because I suck at writing them, though). And then there's the other time with Amy, Vincent, and the Doctor all holding hands. What is with this show and threesomes? And that's not even counting River/Eleven/Amy. Also, in the Lodger when the Doctor was asked about girlfriends or boyfriends, he didn't deny the boyfriend part. Oh, so many happy-making things in this season :)
I was baffled when one of the lists of heteronormative moments in this series (have lost link, sorry) included the Doctor asking River and Fr Octavian if they were engaged, because he was wrong, and the line was there for humour. I'm not sure how you can count someone's heteronormative assumption being show to be wrong as heteronormative.
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It baffles me why anyone attaches so much importance to whether or not they like a character
I started noticing this in book reviews about fifteen years ago - and it really annoyed me - now I'm getting used to it
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It is in close competition with the teaser sequence from Ep 12.
I do think there's been Less Gay, every show has slashy subtext if you're looking for it but Rusty wrote in clearly queer characters. That doesn't make Moff evil, it's just a trade-off. It is nice that fandom has come to expect gay, but I'm not sure all of that is actually genuine...
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I would like some more overtness, but then when we had Rusty I was always thinking "but if it was a bit more..." because it could get drowned out by how hetero the main storylines were. We didn't get any gay characters though this year, did we? But then it seems obvious that the gay man would care more about such representation than the straight one. But then idk how much fandom really did care about it. No one seemed at all fussed about the loss of the Doctor's sexless-sexuality and how that put off some of the gay fans the fandom's traditionally been full of.
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Yah, and in such an ugly normative way. Moff actually wrote Jack a whole lot better and less marginalised than Rusty IMO. Judging by his other work I think this is a symptom of his generally patronising attitude towards his now-wider audience.
And yeah, basically certain sections of fandom started noticing dodgy gender politics when it became useful in their war against Women Who Aren't Rose and The Writers Who Love Them. Invisibility is the default and they probably wouldn't care otherwise.
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Jack was completely fucked over it always made me feel uncomfortable. To the point where people talking about gay-friendly characters in DW I just don't think of Jack because HELLO he was left for dead, forgotten, and then openly treated like a "freak." Oh and was in love with the Doctor and rejected. Nice.
Sometimes I think that shit is because people had A Point and An Issue with Marthagate and maybe "the other side" thought it would be a fine idea to pretend Issues in the war against people who don't like Rose enough. Like when Certain People complain about classism while slagging off Jackie and Mickey and having no problem with horrid Cinderella fanfic.
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I am amused by how some Amy haters are actually afraid that Eleven/Amy will end up together. It is adorable, because a) people still don't know what they're watching, and b) see, I told you all it wasn't just me. XD
I am not fundamentally blech at RTD's writing of emotional content, but I also don't see anything lacking in Moff's writing of it, so...uh?
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Eleven/Amy is quite Never Gonna Happen but I enjoy that about it.
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I like the threesomes cos it always got a bit claustrophobic when it was just Doctor and Companion.
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