6 1/2 Principles redux.

[nobodobodon]

Regionals Summit approaches, and that's as good a time as any to take this out and whip it into better shape. Burning Man has their "10 principles", which I have some issues with. Here's my attempt to put down what we're actually working with for Flipside. I say "1/2" because I see a main, overarching super-principle driving the whole thing. (

Comments

[danamongden]

>I'd like to add something about how selling ice is just selling a reduction in temperature...

My attempt:

There is no art in the creation of the ice, so we are not robbing anyone of their chance to express themselves through this medium. The same cannot be said for coffee, food, or other consumables at the event. The artistic use of ice, however, is up to the spirit of the participants.

[peterfuhry]

How about this:

Ice Sales are organized for many of our events. Ice is a widely desired item used not as a consumable in itself, but as a method of reducing the temperature of food and beverages, in most cases to retard their spoilage. Ice is heavy and bulky to transport, and cannot be stored permanently without electrical refrigeration. Therefore, in the interests of both avoiding participant excursions (ice runs) and avoiding excessive power needs, Ice delivery is provided. Halfway between a commodity like Coffee and a necessary community service (like Portapotties), ice is sold (at cost), rather than included in the ticket price, in order to provide participants with fair choice as to whether to utilize this service. Ice is always composed of two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen, in solid form only.

Re: ice

[nobodobodon]

Ice is not an exception to any rules, it's an exception to one guideline based on several other guidelines. It's a striking of a balance between several different principles and a desire for sustainability. Sorry if that's unclear, maybe I need to reword that.

We do a lot of things that aren't necessities. You could have an event with nor Rangers, Greeters, Potties, Tickets sales, etc. But I'm not going to risk my family's finances to put my name on that event.

I've seen plans for small solar coolers, but I've never heard of one that scaled up that big. I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money on something that untested.

Re: ice

[achild]

I agree that Ice isn't a necessity. People could do without.

Not sure I agree with you on portapotties. I guess we could just limit the participants to those who could bring in incinerating toilets or RVs, but that would rule a lot of people out, myself included.

I wonder....

[sniffygood]

if it sounds too limiting to list the modes through which one can achieve Genuine Self Expression (art, music, volunteerism, gift-giving, and in honest social interactions).

Re: I wonder....

[nobodobodon]

The way it's phrase, it does sound like that's the full list. Maybe a "Some of the ways include" or just tack on an "in many other ways" or something at the end.

Thanks!

Re: I wonder....

[sniffygood]

I've got some semantic differences there too. I would call it realized individuality or something equally arch but the idea is that you should be you and express it.

Re: I wonder....

[nobodobodon]

Arch?

And, yeah, that's the idea. I wanted to keep it about "expression", to keep it active. I also wanted to avoid putting too many of my religious beliefs in there.

[anonymous]

You nailed it. I would phrase some things differently and the only real amendment I think it could stand is to take the Mutual-Respect and Coexistence out of Civic Responsibility and make them their own thing.

[nobodobodon]

Who said anything about Mutual Respect and Coexistence?

Seriously, I'm actually opposed to making a big deal out of mutual respect and coexistence.

I think that a lot of people suppress their own self-expression for the sake of "playing nice with others".

I don't necessarily want us to all play nice. We're going to offend each other once in awhile. I don't want someone to pretend to respect me out of peer pressure. If someone doesn't like me or the way I do things, that's valuable information for me, and valuable self-expression for them. As long as that self-expression doesn't interfere with mine.

More than that, I really like honest respect. If I know that someone has free reign to tell me whatever is on their mind, and they say "Hey, that's neat", it feels much better than if I'm in a place where everyone is supposed to say that.

[captainsodium]

Then I think you're really missing something.

What we call "inclusiveness" is more about trying to tolerate people who do their thing differently than you and less a gate policy.

It's also a useful change to the social structure. Instead of seeking to eliminate differences we seek to exacerbate them. Put up with thy neighbor and thy neighbor should put up with you.

It's also the basis of respecting personal boundaries.

So on the one hand it's fundamental for people choosing different expressive paths and on the other it's fundamental to individuality.

[nobodobodon]

Are you addressing me, or the anon poster? I feel like you're misunderstanding my point entirely.