In Mister Spinola's unfortunate absence, I'd like to start work on looking into the disappearances here. If anyone would like to assist me by providing information, I'd like to talk to anyone who
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Warden filtermrs_perssonAugust 16 2011, 13:21:40 UTC
There isn't really a policy. But I think you're right in that there ought to be some kind of systematic alert, especially if there's any indication that a perpetrator is still at large.
On the one hand, if, say, two individuals get in a brawl in their own quarters and do not injure or involve anyone else [guess who she's thinking of], that's their business and that of any associated wardens. But if there's something very public, something that has the potential to injure or affect others-something ought to be said.
Re: Warden filterneedshumilityAugust 16 2011, 13:28:05 UTC
Or, for that matter, if he was at large, but has been caught?
I suppose that makes sense, but those kind of things - well, would they even make it onto the weekly report? I haven't seen that sort of thing except where it's happened in a public place.
And what if... in your example, that fight happened in a common room and everything was broken? Would it then be acceptable to say 'this common room is closed, there was a fight'?
I apologise for all the questions, I'm more trying to make sense of this than get in anyone's way.
Re: Warden filtermrs_perssonAugust 16 2011, 14:06:32 UTC
They're reasonable questions. Probably should get asked more often, really.
It's true, the weekly report rarely contains information about private contretemps, unless the effects were really obvious or the wardens involved saw fit to file a report.
Perhaps it's reasonable, dare I even say, common-sense, to have some kind of announcement in the event of any kind of public disturbance. Not necessarily with names, for the same reason we don't publicise the weekly report-we don't want to make people vulnerable to retributive actions. But it does seem that some kind of explanation is owed to the population at large if, say, a common room is torn to bits.
Re: Warden filterneedshumilityAugust 16 2011, 14:12:11 UTC
So I imagine, if it's not included in the weekly report - or isn't something you'd submit to it, it's definitely off grounds for mentioning in public?
Point taken about retributive actions, but does that change when a warden does it? It might make people less vengeful if they knew something was done? I'm not sure, just thinking aloud.
Our initial intent is to look for patterns - see if it's likely to happen to one person or another, see whether there's discernable patterns in people coming back or not. It's not necessarily providing an answer; it's getting the information that you can put together and make theories from, perhaps.
Seeing what we do know, and applying it to find out what we don't, basically. It might not get any answers, but it's worth a try.
I can't accept that and shrug my shoulders. If you want to, that's fine with me. I just like to try and find an answer where I can. It might not work, but I'd like not to just trust blindly that it's the Admiral, or shit [that is weird to write for him] happens.
Perhaps it's just me, but I'm going to keep looking for answers.
a) Has happened to two of my previous inmates: Top Dollar, and Marco Campbell, as well as several of my friends. b) Has happened to me--once. c) Has happened to a friend of mine--Karrin Murphy. She's no longer here.
1) I wasn't there when it happened for any of them. For my inmates, heir cabins cleared, and my item no longer registered for them. The same for my friends--except for the warden item part. I stopped to visit, and the cabins were empty.
2) I didn't make a conscious decision. I missed my family on occasion, but... That's nothing unusual. I have a big family--I almost always miss them.
3) She said she was going, and planned to come back--and she did. She said there were things back home that she needed to take care of.
My old warden vanished several times, often returning with either full or partial amnesia. I've also had friends vanish for long periods of time and return with no memories of being here. I don't think it was ever deliberate though.
It also... it did happen to me, at one point.
For me it was like being in a waiting room, for a very long time. When I got back, I expected the same period of time to have passed, but it had only been a few days.
I was an inmate for years, Comrade. The things that I did as a Prefect--
They were very bad, Comrade. They were very, very bad.
For the two friends who left and come back later, their memories never returned. For my warden, they returned most times, but the first time he left, he never got his memories back from. I didn't lose my memories at all though.
It was when I was an inmate, but I was... I was very different, by that point. I don't think it would have been possible for me to return home safely, even if I wasn't dead.
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On the one hand, if, say, two individuals get in a brawl in their own quarters and do not injure or involve anyone else [guess who she's thinking of], that's their business and that of any associated wardens. But if there's something very public, something that has the potential to injure or affect others-something ought to be said.
And something often is, but not always.
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I suppose that makes sense, but those kind of things - well, would they even make it onto the weekly report? I haven't seen that sort of thing except where it's happened in a public place.
And what if... in your example, that fight happened in a common room and everything was broken? Would it then be acceptable to say 'this common room is closed, there was a fight'?
I apologise for all the questions, I'm more trying to make sense of this than get in anyone's way.
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It's true, the weekly report rarely contains information about private contretemps, unless the effects were really obvious or the wardens involved saw fit to file a report.
Perhaps it's reasonable, dare I even say, common-sense, to have some kind of announcement in the event of any kind of public disturbance. Not necessarily with names, for the same reason we don't publicise the weekly report-we don't want to make people vulnerable to retributive actions. But it does seem that some kind of explanation is owed to the population at large if, say, a common room is torn to bits.
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Point taken about retributive actions, but does that change when a warden does it? It might make people less vengeful if they knew something was done? I'm not sure, just thinking aloud.
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Seeing what we do know, and applying it to find out what we don't, basically. It might not get any answers, but it's worth a try.
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Shit happens, buddy...
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I can't accept that and shrug my shoulders. If you want to, that's fine with me. I just like to try and find an answer where I can. It might not work, but I'd like not to just trust blindly that it's the Admiral, or shit [that is weird to write for him] happens.
Perhaps it's just me, but I'm going to keep looking for answers.
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b) Has happened to me--once.
c) Has happened to a friend of mine--Karrin Murphy. She's no longer here.
I hope this helps.
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The first - how did you know they were gone for definite? Did you see any of them go, or did it happen when they were alone?
The second - you didn't make any conscious thought about leaving, or consider the possibility? Nothing that could be taken like that?
Third - did she choose when she went or just that she'd be going soon?
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1) I wasn't there when it happened for any of them. For my inmates, heir cabins cleared, and my item no longer registered for them. The same for my friends--except for the warden item part. I stopped to visit, and the cabins were empty.
2) I didn't make a conscious decision. I missed my family on occasion, but... That's nothing unusual. I have a big family--I almost always miss them.
3) She said she was going, and planned to come back--and she did. She said there were things back home that she needed to take care of.
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Right, so... you might have had subconscious desire to go home, but it was nothing new?
That's how I thought it'd work. And her room stayed the same, didn't change?
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Do you remember anything that happened whilst you were gone?
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It also... it did happen to me, at one point.
For me it was like being in a waiting room, for a very long time. When I got back, I expected the same period of time to have passed, but it had only been a few days.
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I've heard about the amnesia when you get back sometimes - do those memories come back? Or do they stay forgotten?
That's... interesting. So you didn't go back home? Were you an inmate or warden at the time?
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They were very bad, Comrade. They were very, very bad.
For the two friends who left and come back later, their memories never returned. For my warden, they returned most times, but the first time he left, he never got his memories back from. I didn't lose my memories at all though.
It was when I was an inmate, but I was... I was very different, by that point. I don't think it would have been possible for me to return home safely, even if I wasn't dead.
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Ah. That's... understandable.
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Can I ask what you did? To make you an inmate?
Normally, I wouldn't, but there's...
There's Prefects in my world. I'm one. Most of the other Prefects, if they were here, I'd imagine they'd be inmates too.
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