A TW vs. DW morality question
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A DW vs TW morality question: ( Cut for spoilers for Journey's End )
A DW vs TW morality question: ( Cut for spoilers for Journey's End )
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But what worries me about Donna is that meeting Ten was the spur to her developing - she wouldn't have done all that growth and planning if she'd married Lance (assuming that had wedding had gone ahead) - it's very clear IN TRB that it was her encounter with the Doctor that made her take an interest in the world at large. Now she's forgotten that, what spur does she have?
I'm not saying she's not intelligent, because she clearly is, but she lacks motivation to develop, esp with her mother beating her down...
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I must say, I'm looking forward to the Donna books. And I really must check DWM, which I've been getting and not reading to see if they're doing Donna cartoons yet.
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If that's assault, then amputating a leg badly damaged in an accident -- a leg that its owner would really really like to keep and desperately wishes someone could save -- is assault.
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When Recton is used, it's to wipe out one moment of realization of "OMG there are aliens living in Cardiff!" and doesn't fundamentally alter the person other than they might continue not believing in aliens. ( Other than Max, but since Suzie was programing him I don't think it counts. )
What the Doctor did was erase months of experiences, and more importantly, the inspiration to change her life. Before "The Runaway Bride" Donna was trying to change herself, and failing because she was just trying to change her life in the ways everyone expected of her. After "The Runaway Bride" she realized she wanted to change her life completely. Not only did the Doctor wipe away her TARDIS adventures but the whole reason for why she did what she did inbetween "The Runaway Bride" and "Partners in Crime ( ... )
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I saw no evidence that Donna was incapable of giving informed consent. Quite the opposite, in fact, since the very reason she was so upset was because she knew exactly what was happening to her. Even if she were incapacitated, it would still have been RTD's choice to write her that way. However you look at it, Donna was textually denied the ability to make her own choices and that - not the question of whether it would be better if she lived or died - was what was wrong with JE.
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My reply to the original comment is just below this, and boils down to along with RTD's racial issues, he's got consent issues, because the *only* New Who companion to leave on her own steam and without duress is Sarah Jane. Rose was allowed to fall into the void (after the Doctor had snuck up on her with the universe jumper), Jack was left behind, Martha was driven out, and Donna was mindwiped.
At least Moffat doesn't seem to think that there's something defective about people who *don't* want to be joined at the hip to the Doctor 24/7, and hopefully won't be coming up with plots to force them away one way or another.
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;-)
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It was quite clear that Donna's neurons were frying. If the Doctor hadn't intervened, it was quite clear (imho) she would have ended up comatose or insane. He was trying to save her mind and personality as much as her life.
Am I sorry for what Donna's lost? Yeah, but it's mostly because she's lost all the /wonderful/ things she saw with the Doctor.
But that Donna's still in there. And she has the capability to be awesome, if her Mom gets off her back.
And I'm not entirely certain that unlocking those memories would lead to immediate brain fry. Donna's problem was that she got /everything/ all at once.
All this to say that I really don't think a mindwipe is the end of the road for Donna Noble. She's too strong for that. ;)
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