Scientific Spirituality: A Cosmic Perspective of Life

Apr 28, 2010 00:07

Let me start off this by saying that after much thinking and a few influences from several famous Physicists, that I now would say that I believe in God. Now before you get on my case, I suggest hearing me out fully because this really shouldn’t be a surprise after knowing me and hearing my stance on this. The God I believe in can not be found in ( Read more... )

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fb_sheex April 28 2010, 05:22:44 UTC
To be honest, I'm really fascinated how people find science as a means to drive them away from a belief in such things. If you actually study science and see just how vastly complex and difficult to understand our world is - so much so that some things just seem too grand for science to really ever explain definitively - you tend to find it silly that everything flows together as it does by some hypothetical random chance. In order to simulate precise behaviors in our labratory setting, we have had to go through enormous loops and hurdles to make sure everything synchs properly. The detail in all of it, from the high-precision sensor equipment (a hugely scientific development of its own) to extremely precise machinery (another one), it's just silly to think such a system would develop on its own. Given that our univerise is several orders of magnitude more complex than our system, it's really breathtaking ( ... )

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tcpip April 28 2010, 10:13:46 UTC
Apropos there's a local theistic physicist who gets slightly annoyed at the "one true eternal unchanging" book variety of religious folk. He will wax lyrically about the boundary conditions of the universe, whether reality has 12 or 14 dimensions.. and then he says "And you expect me to believe that book is perfect and complete?"

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natureboy87 April 29 2010, 01:39:30 UTC
See, for me, that is just really cheapening the universe. It is the same excuse of "Oh, we don't understand it so God did it". I know that is over simplifying things but that is how it feels. After watching tons of stuff from Carl Sagan and Michio Kaku, I can see how they can be so spiritual about these things, I can see why the would label the ultimate forces that control our universe God. These forces that keep the universe in harmony, what else is there to call them?

Which is why M Theory is so spectacularly awesome!

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fb_sheex April 29 2010, 03:14:14 UTC
It's not so much a matter of understanding as it is complexity. Perhaps my engineering biases me to a certain degree, but high-complexity systems don't leave much error for slop or randomness - juxtapose two values and your results change drastically. In one of my graduate courses, for instance, we had a lecture on the importance of numerical sensitiy and how dropping that 0.000001 decimal place can make or break your results entirely.

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tcpip April 28 2010, 10:10:50 UTC
The God I believe in can not be found in any religions that exist today...

You might want to have a look at the Mutazilites school of old Islam...

... and of course, your beliefs would be thoroughly welcome among Unitarian-Universalists.

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natureboy87 April 29 2010, 01:40:32 UTC
Interesting, I might have to look into that.

And that doesn't surprise me, I have had an urge to find some UU around where I live but I have been so busy, that I haven't gotten around to it.

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