What I think you did wrong in all of this is critisize the gown at all. If all you wanted to do was mention to her that she should have it mentioned that the first picture is the actual gown and the rest the reproduction, then why didn't you just state that? You went on picking apart the differences in the gown, almost like you were trying to degrade the work itself. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but from an outsider reading that, it seems that way.
I would never expect anyone to be able to make an exact replica of any movie costume. If they could, they should be in Hollywood working on movie costumes themselves. What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect, but that looks remarkably similar so people will know who you are trying to portray when you wear it.
If all you wanted to do was mention to her that she should have it mentioned that the first picture is the actual gown and the rest the reproduction, then why didn't you just state that?
Because I wanted her to know *why* I thought that the usage of that particular picture of the gown was wrong without it being clearly labeled as what it is.
What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect
And what I expect to see from a *professional costume maker* who sells her gowns not just on Ebay, but even offers to make custom-made reproductions at a high price level is that they a) label their pictures correctly and b) that something called 'an almost screen-accurate reproduction' is just that - an almost screen accurate reproduction. We're not dealing here with some kind of hobbyist who incidentally sells a gown on Ebay because it doesn't fit any more, you know?
I came to this conclusion: No, I will not bend myself this way just to make friends.
And there you have it. There are certainly people in this world who prefer stirring the pot to living in harmony, and your behavior has always indicated that you are one of those. In the end, you can go on all day saying that you will tell it like you see it, and the rest of us will go on saying that it's rude and uncalled for, and neither opinion will have prevailed. And that's okay. Different strokes, right?
However, it is certainly no shock to you at this point (as shown by the profile you keep referencing) that people find your manner of communication offensive. Which is why I still say that the "car wreck" story was just that - a story. Because I guarantee you, if any sane human being truly believed that their life had been put in danger by offending online acquaintences over the subject of costuming, said sane person would find a new and less dangerous outlet for their commentary.
Nice you gave the link - didn't you forget half of that sentence, like, the first half of it? I used another person's phrasing in that sentence, because she called me a Nazi. But some people are rather good in just reading, pasting and copying what they *want* to read, paste and copy, right? ;-)
Wow.....brute_forceSeptember 21 2006, 14:21:48 UTC
... I am amazed!!! I mean seriously. I do this stuf for a living.. no day job, just costuming. All around the world. and the idea that you (I mean you in the plural and universal sense) care so much that you have to fling all this poo like a bunch of monkeys is incredible! It's just costuming people!!! we are not curing cancer here!!! Maybe someone needs to drink a tall frosty glas of "Get the Hell Over Themselves"! Now understand me please.. I'm not asking you to stop! please keep going on. We in the office here are finding this highly entertaining!!! Bring us more!!!! How is that for unsolicited!
Re: Wow.....naergilienSeptember 21 2006, 16:43:43 UTC
I'm rather amazed, too, about how this Nice Little Quiet Barnyard Formerly Known As My Livejournal all of a sudden turned into a crowded place with pitchfork-waving chickens just because I said that the pleats of someone's gown were not pleated like the ones on the original gown... I already said it to pinque: There's no reason to assume that I'm 'mean to a person' just because I constructively criticized her costume's details... but some people obviously fail to differ between the costume and the maker ;-)
Actually...brute_forceSeptember 21 2006, 16:57:26 UTC
... I'm not paying to see themm.. It's a frre show! :) And I'm just as guilty as the next monkey, I even got the FlingMaster6000 for those hard to reach targets. oh, and thank you. *blush*
Re: Actually...naergilienSeptember 21 2006, 17:00:35 UTC
*gigglesnort* Actually, I'm most jealous of the Rob Zombie concert... but that's a different story, and we don't want to end this wonderful, civilized and lively discussion talking about something nice, right...? ;-)
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I would never expect anyone to be able to make an exact replica of any movie costume. If they could, they should be in Hollywood working on movie costumes themselves. What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect, but that looks remarkably similar so people will know who you are trying to portray when you wear it.
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Because I wanted her to know *why* I thought that the usage of that particular picture of the gown was wrong without it being clearly labeled as what it is.
What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect
And what I expect to see from a *professional costume maker* who sells her gowns not just on Ebay, but even offers to make custom-made reproductions at a high price level is that they a) label their pictures correctly and b) that something called 'an almost screen-accurate reproduction' is just that - an almost screen accurate reproduction.
We're not dealing here with some kind of hobbyist who incidentally sells a gown on Ebay because it doesn't fit any more, you know?
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And there you have it. There are certainly people in this world who prefer stirring the pot to living in harmony, and your behavior has always indicated that you are one of those. In the end, you can go on all day saying that you will tell it like you see it, and the rest of us will go on saying that it's rude and uncalled for, and neither opinion will have prevailed. And that's okay. Different strokes, right?
However, it is certainly no shock to you at this point (as shown by the profile you keep referencing) that people find your manner of communication offensive. Which is why I still say that the "car wreck" story was just that - a story. Because I guarantee you, if any sane human being truly believed that their life had been put in danger by offending online acquaintences over the subject of costuming, said sane person would find a new and less dangerous outlet for their commentary.
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Just out of curiosity, pray tell where I ever used such a phrasing? ;-)
That would be here:
http://community.livejournal.com/dressdiaries/195094.html
Quote (by you): "I'll wrap it into a hand-sewn linen smock and shove it into YOUR ass."
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I used another person's phrasing in that sentence, because she called me a Nazi.
But some people are rather good in just reading, pasting and copying what they *want* to read, paste and copy, right? ;-)
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I mean seriously. I do this stuf for a living.. no day job, just costuming. All around the world.
and the idea that you (I mean you in the plural and universal sense) care so much that you have to fling all this poo like a bunch of monkeys is incredible! It's just costuming people!!! we are not curing cancer here!!! Maybe someone needs to drink a tall frosty glas of "Get the Hell Over Themselves"!
Now understand me please.. I'm not asking you to stop! please keep going on. We in the office here are finding this highly entertaining!!! Bring us more!!!!
How is that for unsolicited!
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I already said it to pinque: There's no reason to assume that I'm 'mean to a person' just because I constructively criticized her costume's details... but some people obviously fail to differ between the costume and the maker ;-)
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Oh, wait, that's not what I meant to say.
So, let's see ... you are bored enough to be spending time reading this, and you're amused by it ... but WE'RE the monkeys?
I've always wondered who was smarter at the zoo ... the animals living the posh life behind the glass, or the ones who pay to see them. :: grin ::
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Actually, I'm most jealous of the Rob Zombie concert... but that's a different story, and we don't want to end this wonderful, civilized and lively discussion talking about something nice, right...? ;-)
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