The thing about talking to Jacob/MIB before killing them? The only way I can make that work for me is that you're not allowed to talk because that would give them the chance to persuade you to not kill them, so in essence the talking doesn't matter at all, just the knife. BUT. If that's the case, why didn't Sayid's knife kill the MIB, since he actually stabbed him? Maybe it was the wrong knife, or maybe for the MIB, you can't talk beforehand. Ugh, I don't know. :::handwaveit:::
And yeah, I love how the 'blank slate' conversation mirrored Jack and Kate's convo in Tabula Rasa (which means blank slate, HEYO). Guh, I miss them. Please reunite next week, people!
Your observations on this one are brilliant. I am so overcome by the episode, trying to put my thoughts into words like this would be impossible. I thought this was the most beautiful and well written episode of LOST I've almost...ever seen. It touched me like the old episodes used to...like "The Moth" or "Walkabout". Richard has been up there in my favorite characters since the moment we first met him, and now seeing his backstory -- I'm just in love with the guy
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It did feel like the old episodes, and I love that because they kept saying season six would feel like season one and while I LIKE season six, it doesn't feel like season one to me.
I hope Sawyer doesn't try to kill anyone and that the end of Smokey is that people DON'T do what he wants them to do. Like he WANTS them to attack each other until there's one left and that ONE will want to get off the island, but instead they unify and say, "Nope, we're all staying here." LOL.
Carrie, reading your post reminds me of an excerpt from Jeff Jensen's Ab Aeterno recap at ew.com and is relevant to the question of how you defeat evil:
But we did get a story that thematically symbolized resurrection and the restoration of relationship between mankind and the divine. Hence the setting of the episode's climax: a Garden of Eden motif, complete with a proverbial Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - Ground Zero for the big bang's humanity's fall from grace. Ricardo was saved. (Yay!) But then came his Great Commission. (Groan!) Richard's Island mission: Keep the Man In Black from popping that cork or cracking open the bottle and getting out. Interesting, though, that Richard wasn't told he had to try to kill the Man In Black. At least nobody is asking him to play Sayid the Assassin. Still, how can Richard succeed? Did he learn something from this spiritual journey that could help him? Something about love? Something about sacrifice? In many of the mythic stories Lost cites, including A Wrinkle In Time, pure, sincere love
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THIS THIS THIS to the whole post. especially the whole first part about Jacob being good. I guess to me it all makes sense growing up in the church, but I've been finding it curious that people are questioning who could be good and evil just because Jacob leaves them to their own devices and the MIB interferes.
anyways, I liked the comparison of Richard to Jesus too. I was actually thinking about that this morning and how before Jesus was going to be crucified, he went to a garden to pray with his disciples because he had lost faith and he needed reassurance from God. that reminded me a lot of the last scene with Hurley.
I guess to me it all makes sense growing up in the church LOL, sometimes I think with stuff like this, those of us who aren't completely cynical towards it have an advantage. We THINK about it, not in how we can make it wrong to shun it, but just think about it for what it is.
And YES, Gethsemane, no? Mom mentioned that. It kind of makes me think Richard might end up sacrificing himself for everyone... which is sad, but at least he'll be with his wife.
I wish my brain were awake enough to make an intelligent reply to this, but all I can say is ITA with every word you said. *nods* yup, that's all I can conjure up at the moment :/
Oh. Oh. So much WORD to this post. I have to admit, I haven't been as keen on Jacob and MIB these past few episodes, but after reading this and rewatching the scenes, I've got my head around it now....somewhat. It pretty much begs the question of what Jacob is actually up to during that last scene with Hurley in 'Lighthouse'. Hurley can be a pretty openly trusting guy. He usually sees the good and playfulness about a person right off the bat, but the fact that he wasn't so keen on being the person that Jacob used to lure Jack out to the lighthouse. It definitely makes me think that Jacob himself has some conflicting sides, where he has to lead a person to a certain place, mindset to get them to make the right choice
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he wasn't so keen on being the person that Jacob used to lure Jack out to the lighthouse That's kind of why I don't think Hurley would make a good Candidate. He's almost too innocent. LOL.
Maybe MIB gave up on Richard because he was SO SURE he would come back, or maybe since Jacob gave him immortality and a "job", MIB didn't think he could still reach him. And the thing about evil is... they're the best liars, LOL. MIB has said a LOT of tricky shit with a straight face this season and it's easy to see why people would follow him, plus, people pity the "victim", but most victims are scam artists.
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The thing about talking to Jacob/MIB before killing them? The only way I can make that work for me is that you're not allowed to talk because that would give them the chance to persuade you to not kill them, so in essence the talking doesn't matter at all, just the knife. BUT. If that's the case, why didn't Sayid's knife kill the MIB, since he actually stabbed him? Maybe it was the wrong knife, or maybe for the MIB, you can't talk beforehand. Ugh, I don't know. :::handwaveit:::
And yeah, I love how the 'blank slate' conversation mirrored Jack and Kate's convo in Tabula Rasa (which means blank slate, HEYO). Guh, I miss them. Please reunite next week, people!
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And heh, yeah, I wish for a speedy reunion, but I'm not holding my breath. ;)
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I hope Sawyer doesn't try to kill anyone and that the end of Smokey is that people DON'T do what he wants them to do. Like he WANTS them to attack each other until there's one left and that ONE will want to get off the island, but instead they unify and say, "Nope, we're all staying here." LOL.
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But we did get a story that thematically symbolized resurrection and the restoration of relationship between mankind and the divine. Hence the setting of the episode's climax: a Garden of Eden motif, complete with a proverbial Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - Ground Zero for the big bang's humanity's fall from grace. Ricardo was saved. (Yay!) But then came his Great Commission. (Groan!) Richard's Island mission: Keep the Man In Black from popping that cork or cracking open the bottle and getting out. Interesting, though, that Richard wasn't told he had to try to kill the Man In Black. At least nobody is asking him to play Sayid the Assassin. Still, how can Richard succeed? Did he learn something from this spiritual journey that could help him? Something about love? Something about sacrifice? In many of the mythic stories Lost cites, including A Wrinkle In Time, pure, sincere love ( ... )
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anyways, I liked the comparison of Richard to Jesus too. I was actually thinking about that this morning and how before Jesus was going to be crucified, he went to a garden to pray with his disciples because he had lost faith and he needed reassurance from God. that reminded me a lot of the last scene with Hurley.
great thoughts on this one!
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LOL, sometimes I think with stuff like this, those of us who aren't completely cynical towards it have an advantage. We THINK about it, not in how we can make it wrong to shun it, but just think about it for what it is.
And YES, Gethsemane, no? Mom mentioned that. It kind of makes me think Richard might end up sacrificing himself for everyone... which is sad, but at least he'll be with his wife.
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That's kind of why I don't think Hurley would make a good Candidate. He's almost too innocent. LOL.
Maybe MIB gave up on Richard because he was SO SURE he would come back, or maybe since Jacob gave him immortality and a "job", MIB didn't think he could still reach him. And the thing about evil is... they're the best liars, LOL. MIB has said a LOT of tricky shit with a straight face this season and it's easy to see why people would follow him, plus, people pity the "victim", but most victims are scam artists.
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