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[musesfool]

Russian speakers of my flist, I need some help! A couple phrases, anyway

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[musesfool]

Yeah, I can see how watching him from the beginning might make him more likeable.

[thistlerose]

I watched the first season of "Suits" and liked it well enough, but I could not get into Mike Ross, at all. I never really bought the premise that he's extraordinarily privileged (white, male, able-bodied, neurotypical, cis, wealthy enough to afford a Manhattan apartment plus granny's expenses, etc.) and yet the underdog. I started wondering how the show would go if he'd been Michelle Ross, an African American lesbian, who was kicked out of Harvard because she'd been caught helping the president's son cheat (he'd threatened to out her if she didn't) and I haven't been able to watch it since. O_O

Which is too bad, since I liked Jessica, Harvey, Donna, and Rachel a lot.

[musesfool]

I started wondering how the show would go if he'd been Michelle Ross, an African American lesbian

Well, I have a feeling I wouldn't be bored with this, but this white boy genius stuff is so, so old.

[danielleleigh]

Dare I defend "poor" Mike Ross?

I think the pov of season 1 is so different ...Harvey is a lot less emotionally accessible in season 1, so Mike ends up carrying a lot of that weight. But they've made Harvey more vulnerable in season 2 and opened up the narrative pov so much that the dynamic feels so different.

(Also, Mike iss a hypocrite because of this stupid "pretend to be a lawyer plot" that we're now stuck with....if we had another reason for the main partnership of the show to have clicked we'd be in a much better place with this character. Oh well. Can't be fixed now I guess...)

[musesfool]

It's not that I mind the pretend to be a lawyer thing that much - I mean, obviously that is right there in the premise - but the way he wants to have that and not deal with the possible consequences, like how he wants to tell Rachel because he doesn't want his whole relationship built on a lie, except, well, IT IS built all on a lie, and one he wants to keep telling the world at large, so... either commit to it or give it up, but wanting to pick and choose is irritating, because the consequences don't just affect him.

[danielleleigh]

I think a little of my frustration with all of this is the fact that Harvey and Mike are both the architects of this disaster but Harvey's got over a decade on Mike and *should* have known better. Harvey's worked very hard to get success so why did he think it would be a good idea to just hand the keys to the kingdom over to Mike?

They've hinted that Harvey sees himself in Mike but there has to be some kind of crazy-ass reason Harvey would have let this happen instead of just sending the kid to school like he should have (and is what Jessica originally did with Harvey when she found him the mailroom).

Of course, I may be asking too much of the show but I'd rather there is a real reason Harvey did this, rather than just "we need a premise" for the show. (Contrast: We know Mike did this because he'll take the easy way out every. damn. time.)

[musesfool]

I agree, but once Harvey agreed to it for whatever reason, he at least knows that he has to stick it out, or it will ruin him and now Jessica as well if they don't.

I mean, I would like to know what Harvey was smoking when he agreed to it, but I think it IS just a matter of 'that's the premise of the show,' and they thought they were clever for putting a twist on a legal drama, but it's a twist I feel is unnecessary? Like, I feel the show would be just as entertaining if the stakes were lower - if it was just that Mike didn't go to Harvard, rather than that he never went to law school at all - because the office politics and legal shenanigans are so entertaining. I feel like every time Mike's secret comes up, it just drags the show down.

*hands*

This is based on watching all of 3 episodes now, but it's how I feel.

[meret]

Season 1 Suits is much better IMO. In fact I stopped watching it a few episodes in on season 2.

[musesfool]

Since I haven't seen season 1, I can't compare, but I've liked the episodes I've watched so far. I don't know if I like it enough to go back and watch the first season, though.

[svilleficrecs]

S1 is only 12 eps, and I kinda disagree re: the idea of skipping it. Not that S2 is going to be incomprehensible, but the show is pretty heavy on the character development, and without S1, a lot of the beats in s2 are going to seem random at best.

[musesfool]

I can see that, but right now I don't feel a need to go back, especially not if it focuses more closely on Mike, who is the least enjoyable part of the show to me.