then memories are films about ghosts

[musesfool]

Fringe: Subject 13

Wow. I don't think I can actually talk about that coherently. I guess I mostly have questions about continuity.

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[writingpathways]

Also continuity wise, Bell was around when she put the room up in flames, but this time Walter was only writing him letters and sending him tapes. The room also totally different from the first two times we saw it (it changes every time.)

I loved both Wee!Olivia and Wee!Peter. And OMG when she hands Walternate the book, OMG. And yeah, I think Walter was trying to help her at the end, I really do -- just not so sure he did completely. I'm trying to remember what she said when we first about about stepdad -- didn't she say he was hitting her mother? Maybe after that Stepdad started to hit the mother instead of Olivia and that is really what drives her to shoot him.

I'm willing to let the continuity slide because it's helping the story more than anything than not.

SPN was hysterical.

[musesfool]

I was going with the idea that this wasn't the first time she'd set the room on fire - that she'd actually done it as we saw in "Jacksonville," but then Walter indicated that this was the first time she'd done it, so... yeah. Continuity went out the window completely. But emotionally I thought it really worked.

[writingpathways]

Emotionally it really worked well!

[ulkis]

seeing Walternate's helpless despair

He almost made me cry! Although at the same time I thought, he had to figure out that Olivia was the girl who appeared in front of his desk all those years ago, and thanks to her he knew where Peter was, and he still decided to let her be killed in "Entrada"? Olivia needs to kick both of the Walters in the crotch.

My other question I guess is whether Walter was truly trying to help her at the end, or if he thought that threatening the stepfather would make him terrorize Olivia more (or pull her out of the program altogether and take her away, which is what I would have expected him to do once Walter threatened him with social services.)

I guess the latter is possible (didn't even think of that!), but I don't think he wanted the step-dad to pull her out altogether - otherwise how would he get access to her?

Young!Peter, on the other hand, struck me as mostly glassy-eyed and creepy,

Heh. And he had weird hair. Sorry, young Peter.

Seriously, the actress who plays Elizabeth Bishop was amazing.She

[musesfool]

Olivia needs to kick both of the Walters in the crotch.

Indeed. Hard and often.

but I don't think he wanted the step-dad to pull her out altogether

Oh, I don't think he did either, but that could have been a result of siccing CPS on the stepfather, and could have explained why the experiments stopped. Also, Olivia not remembering any of it later is a lot harder to swallow when she's 9 than when she's 5.

I suppose I may be too easy on her but I don't really blame her for Peter's kidnapping either. She didn't know Walter would bring him over and she didn't know how to get him back. I don't know what else she really could have done.

I agree. I really hope we see her again in the altverse.

[ulkis]

Also, Olivia not remembering any of it later is a lot harder to swallow when she's 9 than when she's 5.

There was a live tweet tonight with the writers and when someone asked them why Peter and Olivia couldn't remember they said "repressed childhood trauma" which is kind of not believable in the same way that no one suspecting Fauxlivia in the first half of this season wasn't believable, but I guess I can let it slide when it's good episodes.

[musesfool]

Heh. I suppose I will accept it. Did they have anything to say about the age retcon?

[de_nugis]

I've never seen Fringe -- do they have a character who just happens to be named Elizabeth Bishop, or does actual Geography III Elizabeth Bishop somehow figure?

/butting rudely in

[musesfool]

They have a character who just happens to be named Elizabeth Bishop. Sadly, I don't think it's resulted in a lot of fic being named for lines from the poet Elizabeth Bishop's work, which is what I kind of would like to see happen.

[de_nugis]

Thank you! That's too bad.

[musesfool]

I keep hoping there'll be a trend, but so far, not so much.

[fox1013]

You know, I intellectually understand a lot of the criticisms of this episode, but honestly, all I got from it is OMG BABY GENIUS OLIVIA and I am the happiest of all possible fangirls right now.

[musesfool]

I think you should write the crossover where Walter works for Blue Sun and Olivia and River are at the Academy together.

[writingpathways]

Oooh. Oh someone should SO write that.

[spectralbovine]

I didn't think they'd continued until she was 9, which is when she shoots her stepfather, right?
Oooh, I totally forgot about that!

My other question I guess is whether Walter was truly trying to help her at the end, or if he thought that threatening the stepfather would make him terrorize Olivia more (or pull her out of the program altogether and take her away, which is what I would have expected him to do once Walter threatened him with social services.)
Oh yeah, I was wondering whether he had a sick ulterior motive for that as well.

And it was a lot less Peter/Olivia=DESTINED than it appeared from the previews, which pleases me.
Oh! I heard rumblings about DESTINY but forgot about them. Yes, that's good.

The French Mistake, which I enjoyed right up until the ending, which left a bad taste in my mouth, even though I knew it was going to happen and know better than to expect better of the show at this point.
What didn't you like about the ending? (Is it the part where everyone on the show randomly gets killed?)

[musesfool]

What didn't you like about the ending? (Is it the part where everyone on the show randomly gets killed?)

I enjoyed everybody getting killed!

The part I didn't like was where the fierce black woman was threatened by a circle of white guys.

[skelody]

Thank you.

Though as you say, this is rather par for the course for the show.

[musesfool]

Yeah, if I weren't able to name all the named black women who've appeared on the show on one hand and still have fingers left over, it might not have bothered me as much, but as it was, ugh.