As I was drifting off to sleep last night, I realized something about my dissatisfaction with s6 of SPN so far. It's a matter of genre and expectations. ( tl;dr with vague spoilers for what's aired )
I see what you're saying. And I do agree to an extent. I'm getting tired of the Sam/Dean angst. But after all of that-after Sam going to hell and being possessed by Lucifer-he experienced the ultimate evil and became it for a time. Then he went to Hell. I think he's just sorting through it all and everything and I really don't know what to say about his constant betrayal of Dean-especially in this past Friday's episode... That was a shock for me.
What I really don't understand is Samuel. I'm kind of eager to see what all this monster-napping business is all about.
Another thing is that I really did like the whole Lisa and Ben addition to Dean's life. I hope that they don't take them out of the show.
But yeah. It's different, but hopefully after a few more episodes, things will fall into place better. :)
I really don't know what to say about his constant betrayal of Dean-especially in this past Friday's episode... That was a shock for me.
And that's the part I can't get over. All of the dumb and arrogant and wrong things Sam did previously were because he was trying to save Dean/trying to save the world. Now I just don't know what his motivation is, and I can't forgive it.
I really did like the whole Lisa and Ben addition to Dean's life.
Me, too! I am totally shipping Dean/Lisa. I want them to work out!
Anyway, I'm glad it made sense to you. It just struck me that I would probably be totally into the show I described above if it were new, but as a shift from what SPN has been, not so much.
This articulates possibly why I've become uncomfortable as well. I'm not sure it's the set-up of S6 so much, since I was okay until the latest ep, the noir set-up is something I want (and wow, the show you're describing sounds kickass, I'd watch it), but I don't want the noir set-up to come at the expense of the Sam&Dean. In previous eps this season I had some hope that the show was swinging back to bearing less heavily on the angst, and that whatever was "off" about Sam would be a slow thawing and return to warmth between the brothers, even while it was growing more noir. But it feels like the latest ep they tipped their hand for how this is going to go (and the nature of Sam's issues are not what I thought they were) and I've had a very visceral DNW response to it.
They can still salvage this for me, and it can be noir. But you know I'm right with you with the kicked in the face feeling. It may be perfectly good writing and very hot but I don't want it.
Well, you've already heard my rant about Sam not telling Dean he was back, but I think this just really compounds my DNW. Because yeah, the show I described above sounds AWESOME, but it's not the SPN I've been invested in the past four years, and while I understand that shows change and grow etc., this is not a direction that is working for me emotionally so far. Sigh.
You'd think that would've been my first clue. Sigh. But I still thought it could be okay, even with that! (and you know I had my reasons for understanding why Sam would do that, I thought he genuinely was in a misguided way trying to do what was right for Dean because he loves him even though he ended up hurting him, which is pretty much standard MO for Winchesters).
Anyway, the last ep was game-changing and I could work emotionally with the first four eps and not with this. *shudder*
I thought he genuinely was in a misguided way trying to do what was right for Dean because he loves him even though he ended up hurting him, which is pretty much standard MO for Winchesters
Right. Which I would have accepted if not liked, because every damn thing Sam did before this season was on some level for Dean - to save him, protect him, etc. But now? That seems to be out the window, and I can't think of a way they can get back to a place where Dean can really trust him again.
This is a really excellent way of putting it. I'm enjoying the show right now on a level that's separate and apart from why I loved it in seasons 1-3. (Seasons four and five didn't really work well for me on the brother relationship level, either, so I basically have now segmented the show off into The SamnDean Show and then everything that came after that. *g*) But all the things I was in DNW mode about before the season started (distance between the brothers, brothers not getting along) are happening, so. It's not really my SPN anymore. I suppose it might get there eventually, and I'm interested in it on that level, but I'm detached from the core story at the moment as well.
I had no idea when I grabbed this icon that it would become the most useful one in the bunch, and that's just sad.
I still want to know what's going on, if only because I hate not finishing stories I've spent so much time with, but yeah, my emotional investment is way on the downswing, because otherwise, I'm just angry about it all the time, and I have enough stuff to be angry about!
I'm curious, though, if we end up getting an explanation for Sam's behavior that we hadn't taken into account (like, he's not actually Sam, or something we haven't yet guessed) do you think your opinion might change?
The thing about Sam not actually being Sam, or Sam is being possessed by Michael or Sam's soul is still in hell or whatever, is that Dean (and we) still have to deal with him doing this sketchy stuff and betraying Dean in new and unfortunate ways. I know the show has always handwaved it as "Oh, it's not really you, so it's okay!" (even on the occasions when it WAS really them, just...amplified), but I'm kind of sick of that, too. It strikes me as a poor writing choice, meant simply to provide grist for a conflict because they couldn't come up with something more organic to where the characters were at the end of last season.
so while part of me just wants SAM back and might be willing to accept the handwave of 'it wasn't really him!' (though possibly not - I feel like we're on the downswing of a long relationship), part of me feels like if they're going to have Sam behaving like this, then they should have the courage to stand behind it rather than trying to make it all okay again by saying it's not actually Sam, you know?
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What I really don't understand is Samuel. I'm kind of eager to see what all this monster-napping business is all about.
Another thing is that I really did like the whole Lisa and Ben addition to Dean's life. I hope that they don't take them out of the show.
But yeah. It's different, but hopefully after a few more episodes, things will fall into place better. :)
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And that's the part I can't get over. All of the dumb and arrogant and wrong things Sam did previously were because he was trying to save Dean/trying to save the world. Now I just don't know what his motivation is, and I can't forgive it.
I really did like the whole Lisa and Ben addition to Dean's life.
Me, too! I am totally shipping Dean/Lisa. I want them to work out!
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(The *sadhair* bit is the best part of this whole post, though.)
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Anyway, I'm glad it made sense to you. It just struck me that I would probably be totally into the show I described above if it were new, but as a shift from what SPN has been, not so much.
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They can still salvage this for me, and it can be noir. But you know I'm right with you with the kicked in the face feeling. It may be perfectly good writing and very hot but I don't want it.
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Anyway, the last ep was game-changing and I could work emotionally with the first four eps and not with this. *shudder*
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Right. Which I would have accepted if not liked, because every damn thing Sam did before this season was on some level for Dean - to save him, protect him, etc. But now? That seems to be out the window, and I can't think of a way they can get back to a place where Dean can really trust him again.
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I had no idea when I grabbed this icon that it would become the most useful one in the bunch, and that's just sad.
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I'm curious, though, if we end up getting an explanation for Sam's behavior that we hadn't taken into account (like, he's not actually Sam, or something we haven't yet guessed) do you think your opinion might change?
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so while part of me just wants SAM back and might be willing to accept the handwave of 'it wasn't really him!' (though possibly not - I feel like we're on the downswing of a long relationship), part of me feels like if they're going to have Sam behaving like this, then they should have the courage to stand behind it rather than trying to make it all okay again by saying it's not actually Sam, you know?
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