Comments | musesfool: Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?*

musesfool

Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?*

Apr 02, 2010 01:49

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musesfool April 2 2010, 06:28:40 UTC

Yeah, I don't have much faith in them either, especially not when it comes to Sam.

debbiel66 April 2 2010, 06:04:24 UTC

I loved Sam in this episode. He was kind, compassionate, and wanted to spare Dean from watching him leave for college again. Sam's finally growing up, and I think he's becoming the man Dean raised him to be. I would like to see him pursue and woo Dean this time.

It's his turn.

musesfool April 2 2010, 06:30:50 UTC

I love Sam, but I feel like the show keeps hammering on how wrong he is because he doesn't want what Dean wants and because his need for independence is seen as a betrayal (which isn't to say that he didn't betray Dean last season, because he did, but these early rebellions weren't that).

I would like to see him pursue and woo Dean this time.

YES.

"I can't do this alone, Dean." "Yeah, you can." "But I don't want to." PLEASE GIVE US THIS MIRROR SCENE, KRIPKE.

debbiel66 April 2 2010, 13:03:38 UTC

Okay, you just wrote the dialogue that I just wrote YESTERDAY for my BB. A little eery. :)

musesfool April 2 2010, 15:01:51 UTC

Heh. That exchange in the pilot is when Dean first got his hooks in me. Sigh. They were so young and hopeful then.

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musesfool April 2 2010, 06:51:05 UTC

I think defaulting SO MUCH to Dean's POV has hurt the show in that respect. Even though Dean is not a reliable narrator, the show seems to treat him like he is a lot of the time.

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musesfool April 2 2010, 07:26:38 UTC

And Sam was a DICK in Swap Meat. Honestly, that episode is down in the garbage with Malleus Maleficarum for me. It never happened. *pfft*

This week, in particular, I was getting really bored with him standing off to one side either saying absolutely nothing, or restating really obvious points in the form of a question for those of us who can barely stay awake till 10pm on a Thursday). I KNOW! I took out the bits where I was bitching about how Sam is the FIRST PERSON IN THE CREDITS and yet he's treated like a secondary or tertiary character a lot of the time these days - I was willing to handwave it in s4 because I think the writers chose to obscure Sam's actions/motives from us because they aren't particularly good writers and couldn't figure out how to show us what was going on without, you know, showing us before they wanted to make the reveal - but this season there's no excuse for it and it's just poor writing ( ... )

marciaelena April 2 2010, 06:23:27 UTC

I agree with everything you're saying here. I want to comment and discuss but this episode left me so broken, I can barely think straight right now. :-(

As an aside, that Hebrew quote should actually be "Eli, Eli, lama azavtani?"

ETA: Uhm, okay, after some Googling it seems I might be wrong. Sorry! Apparently Jesus might've been speaking in some kind of weird form of Aramaic instead of Hebrew.

musesfool April 2 2010, 06:51:59 UTC

Heh. Yeah. At least, in the versions I've seen, it's always identified as Aramaic.

I just started rambling, mostly because it's too painful to put the episode on again. Sigh.

vulgarweed April 2 2010, 06:33:39 UTC

I had a lot of sympathy for Sam. Especially when Dean looked on Sam's memory of getting accepted to Stanford as the worst night of his life and raged on him about it. HelLO. Sam, at one point long ago, had his own dreams and ambitions and aspirations. They were real. They were worthy. They were important to him. In a way, everything that Sam has done has followed from that, because, well, like Langston Hughes wrote, what happens to a dream deferred? All sorts of things, none of them nice ( ... )

musesfool April 2 2010, 06:54:08 UTC

My issues with Castiel encompass more than my dislike of his character, but he lost my sympathy in 4.16 and has never regained it, and given the other baggage he's accrued for me, he never will.

And Sam. Oh, Sam, who was bartered away before he was even born, and has spent his whole life trying to escape that shadow and now it gets thrown in his face. *pets him*

I mean, if she keeps wearing that Ramones shirt, wouldn't her Heavenly concert venue really be CBGB circa 1975?

That's what I was thinking!

vulgarweed April 2 2010, 07:04:27 UTC

I have to say, the character who moved me in a big way in this episode? Ash. He was condemned to be comic relief in life, but in this really unpleasant notion of Heaven, he was by far the one who came across the most himself.

musesfool April 2 2010, 07:12:26 UTC

Yeah, I never cared about Ash one way or another - I mean, I liked him, but I wasn't particularly upset when he died (because I was so happy Ellen lived) - but it was good to see him again, and to see him be, as you say, himself - still leveraging his skills to help out, and to be more than what he appears.