he got every bit of it

Sep 07, 2008 13:17

Okay, hit me with your tips for writing a third person omniscient narrator. I have never successfully managed it for a whole story.

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ratcreature September 7 2008, 17:28:09 UTC
I'm not a writer only a reader, but I think the omniscient POVs that work best for me (rather than just seeming like a confused switching POV) are those that sound clearly like a storyteller with hindsight, telling things from a distance.

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musesfool September 7 2008, 17:50:22 UTC
*nod*

the narrator has to have its own voice, yeah.

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fox1013 September 7 2008, 17:46:12 UTC
Are you going for a funny story or a serious one?

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musesfool September 7 2008, 17:49:38 UTC
A serious one.

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fox1013 September 7 2008, 17:59:42 UTC
Then "watch Pushing Daisies and do that" is probably not a helpful answer. Nor is "read Westing Game and do that."

*thinks*

...I will have to ponder this more.

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musesfool September 7 2008, 18:18:58 UTC
Heh. It's not really whimsical enough to warrant the Pushing Daisies treatment. Hmm...

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writingpathways September 7 2008, 17:51:59 UTC
I cheat. I used 'techically' limited 3rd person, but I use a character like River Tam. Who knows EVERYTHING everyone is thinking. I'm thinking this won't help you?

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musesfool September 7 2008, 18:04:10 UTC
Yeah, that's not really what I'm looking for here.

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wisdomeagle September 7 2008, 18:04:02 UTC
Hmm. The narrator having zir own voice is good advice. I tend to slide up and down from a very broad, descriptive point of view (sometimes just fly-on-the-wall descriptive, sometimes very philosophical or historical or metaphysical -- something with an angle, though) to sentences or paragraphs that very much resemble third-person limited. Jumping back and forth between character points of view is usually distracting, though, so be extra careful with transitions.

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musesfool September 7 2008, 18:21:21 UTC
Yeah, there's not going to be any jumping from character to character - that part I'm on top of.

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soundingsea September 7 2008, 18:06:26 UTC
I don't suppose "don't" is a tip? :)

(I loathe third person omniscient. It completely ruins my suspension of disbelief; I can't get immersed when I'm constantly wondering how a narrator could possibly know what everyone is thinking. The only reasonable answer is "some sort of omniscient being" and that runs up against my "silly" block.)

If you must, you must... but personally I'd stick to a camera's-eye POV if at all possible. For example, you could talk about how someone is shuddering with horror, but not about how they're feeling inside?

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musesfool September 7 2008, 18:23:17 UTC
Heh. I am not a huge fan of it myself, though I think it can be fun when it's done well, but I can't figure out another way to make this particular story work. And, er, it possibly is being narrated by some sort of omniscient being, but given that it is a story about escaping from hell, I don't think that can necessarily be dismissed as silly.

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soundingsea September 7 2008, 18:45:05 UTC
Ah! Given a fantasy universe where omniscient beings exist, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have such a being narrate. I think that in that case, having the narrator be self-aware (and not just this disembodied, non-self-reflective voiceover) would help. And possibly even some nods to how the narrator knows things. (Telepathy? General vibes in the air? Direct notes about peeking into Our Heroes' minds?) The key for me would be the narrator seeming *real* under the rules of the universe.

I'd avoid the "As you know, gentle reader, things were about to take a disturbing turn!" trope. It sounds horribly hokey and dated, imo.

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