Bone and Flesh and Blood and Fear. That's not Hell. That's humanity. (A Meta)

[mummyluvr314]

“When people want to describe the worst possible thing, they say it’s like Hell. You know, there’s a reason for that. Hell is… well, it’s like Hell. Even for demons. It’s a prison made of bone and flesh and blood and fear. And you sent me back there.” (Meg, 2.14)

Well, I must say, I’m offended. And you should be, too. I mean, did you see that

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[nerthus]

You know, I was ruminating on the Gnostic version, myself, after having read a paper which speculated about this Demiurge mistakenly believing he is THE God or the One, eternal Creator of all; but the fact that THIS version of 'God' is vengeful and jealous and all-too-human in his behaviors is listed as evidence for the Gnostic belief that what we THINK is God truly is Lucifer and we have been in Hell all along...fascinating to think about, at any rate, and with the way Kripke mixes up theologies and mythologies and all sorts of other -ologies, ha, who knows?

[mummyluvr314]

I really can't wait to see what Kripke does with Lucifer this season, because there really are so many different beliefs out there with so many different views on Hell (although all of their Hells are surprisingly similar in some ways, which makes you wonder...).

[moodswingers]

Very interesting, insightful and informative.

Dean’s human. He has emotions and he feels and he remembers. Hell couldn’t finish stripping away his humanity, but it started to, and now that he knows that, now that he’s assimilated, it hurts.

This is possibly the best speculation on why Dean wasn't completely disfunctional immediately post Hell and why he only began showing signs of trauma in later episodes.

If your ideas are correct, Ruby definitely has an agenda and I can't wait to find out what it is. On the other hand, Kripke & co. often fail to think things through and merely get lucky.

Thanks for sharing!

Btw, your icon is genius. <3

[mummyluvr314]

Thanks :) I really hope Ruby's more than just a "good" demon and that there's more to Hell than meat hooks and racks.

[etoile444]

My theory is, if you want to punish someone - I mean really punish him - you don’t give him what he wants. Not in any way, shape, or form. You trap him in a place where he can never rule. You trap him in a different host each lifetime and you never let him out. Let him live like a human, weak and defenseless and scared. Make humanity the prison that Hell could never be.

***I like your ideas here. The idea that Lucifer's greatest punishment was to be a human, since that is what he hated. Makes you wonder where he is right now (in the Supernatural universe that is)!

[mummyluvr314]

Maybe Azazel's endgame was to ferret out Lucifer? Find the human body and then break the Seals himself? He did say he had a big laundry list of things for Jake to do in 2.22 after opening the Gate. I wouldn't put it past him.

[zimshan]

In Supernatural, however, Fallen angels become human.

I can't believe I never got that. Anna even said, "Like Lucifer" and yet I didn't equate that episode with the radical declaration that LUCIFER BECAME HUMAN.

Shit, is there really any way this can go that doesn't end up with Lucifer being trapped in Sam?

Brilliant meta though, thanks for sharing! Lots of crunchy food for thought here...

[mummyluvr314]

Actually (and especially after last night's episode), my theory is that Dean is the one playing host to Lucifer. I think i'm gonna write that one up next...

[someblazingstar]

!!!

I think that makes so much sense...and would be especially shocking after 3 seasons of insinuation that Sam is destined to go bad. What if it's not Sam after all, but Dean? What if what they meant when they said that Dean was right where they wanted him when he was in Hell wasn't that they were just enjoying torturing him because he's a hunter and had taken out a few demons, but because they had a much greater purpose for him? What better Trojan Horse than the seemingly-normal brother of the supposed Antichrist?

*mind boggles*

But, alas, that's probably way too clever for the show to actually do...

[mummyluvr314]

I've learned to never put anything past show, but, yeah. Jesus!Dean is probably more the route they're gonna take (did a meta on that, too). I thought it was odd that the demons wanted Dean in Hell and not Sam-Winchester-Anti-Christ-Super-Star.

[dark_austral]

[mummyluvr314]

You're probably not the only one in fandom who spends church services thinking about Supernatural. And that's an interesting idea to hear in church. Certainly sounds like a fun service.

Then again, our whole lives could just be an elaborate purgatory.