SPN S7 (7.10?) thoughts

[morganlucas41]

Okay, so I rewatched 701-710. I have some thoughts.

Comments

[nerthus]

I can relate to what you're saying; I keep wondering what exactly their plan IS concerning Sam and Dean becoming so isolated and alone and how the major arc of their story is going to finally conclude when all is said and done; sadly, I'm not sure I trust the writers any longer to tie up all the loose ends and make everything cohesive and coherent. It just seems sometimes to have degenerated into some fanfic-type challenge of "how many ways can we continue to make the boys' lives SUCK and NEVER give them even one tiny ray of hope or peace", sigh. But I try, rather shakily to be sure, to picture the writers at least having some murky outline of the general direction they intend for the rest of the series

*butts in*

[sgmajorshipper]

So it's just become almost a cliche, and Bobby's character deserves more/better than that.
And I think that sums up a lot of why fandom is so pissed about Bobby dying. He deserves to be more than a means to an end for the boys.

I have faith, I do, because I try so hard to keep faith in writers, otherwise I'd watch nothing, lol. But it's hard when you get such hit and miss stuff as has been found in LJ.

[morganlucas41]

MTE, pretty much. To me, their lives were already pretty bleak and desperate even when they had Bobby. I do see how them losing him pushes them to the absolute extreme; but, really, WAS that necessary? I just don't know. And I think, as you say, it's all about having faith in the writers at this point. Something that I'm not sure I have, on most days

[sgmajorshipper]

I find it funny, because while I was so, so sad over Bobby's death, I recognized it as most likely being a permanent, final send off the instant we discovered it was Bobby fighting for his life. And I get the motivation behind his death coming at this time, whether I like it or not. In a way, they've been preparing us for this since the beginning of the season, what with the fake-out in ep 2.

While I don't think the show is gonna end on a "...and they lived happily ever after" (Swan Song is as close as we were ever gonna get, and something like that really isn't an option anymore anyways). I totally see the show ending with everyone dead, but in Heaven. *shrugs*

The thing is - I love these characters. I love Sam and Dean, I care about them, I care about what happens to them. Which is why I'm upset. I don't like the show right now, but I love them, and I want the show to give me what I think they deserve. Exactly how I feel about Show atm. Actually, you summed up exactly how I feel about it right now. I don't hate it because it's

[morganlucas41]

See, to me, the fake-out from 7.02 is what made me so mad initially. It was like, we'd already been there, done that with this SL. So, at this point, even if Bobby's not dead, then I'm still going to be pissed at them for pulling this card again. Why bother? It's stupid. I do see what you're saying about being prepared for his death because, really, ever since the idea of Cas dying came about, I started to fear for Bobby - he'd be the only thing they had left. So it makes sense, I guess. I just don't particularly like it

[i_speak_tongue]

I'm one of those people who wasn't surprised by Bobby's death, nor do I really understand those who saw any ambiguity about whether or not he is really and truly gone. That was a spectacular send-off episode, and I don't think they would have put so much thought and effort into it unless it was

[morganlucas41]

Well, I do think there's always room for ambiguity in Bobby's death (or anyone's on the show). People on this show die and come back. Moreover, that was the entire point of the cliffhanger - that Bobby hadn't answered the reaper. But I agree that it felt like a legitimate last episode for Bobby

[i_speak_tongue]

So with everyone dead, I just don't understand what it is that they're supposed to be fighting for anymore. If it's just Sam and Dean, no matter what odds they are facing, I just don't get what the point of it is.

I don't think you are supposed to, or more importantly, I don't think THEY are supposed to. And that's the point. That's the challenge. Finding a reason to keep going when everything seems hopeless, finding hope from within. Maybe it's just a case of over-identifying or something. Fans loosing hope right along with them.

if not literally their own family, then the sense of everyone on Earth having "family" and all that

Hmm. Well, I think there's still a chance for them to get that back. They're in a long dark tunnel, and at this point, it's almost impossible to see any light. Doesn't mean there isn't light ahead, just that it's harder to find your way for a while. And, personally, I like the idea of that kind of challenge. But I guess it's not for everyone.

[morganlucas41]

Well, I think I certainly see things from the boys' point of view, and that I have been losing hope as they have. And, for what it's worth, I am glad that you're still enjoying the show! I am, too, and I haven't lost all hope yet, but I'm hoping the show proves me wrong. If there is some light at the end of the tunnel that makes this journey all worth it, well, that's what it's all about, isn't it.

[borgmama1of5]

" I don't like the show right now, but I love them, and I want the show to give me what I think they deserve."

You expressed my feelings exactly!

[morganlucas41]

Sigh - well, let's hope we both get what we're looking for from the show!

[mtee]

Someone else mentioned maybe we do need to take everything away to get the brothers truly back together. To have no one else to lean on means you have to work out all the differences, both internally and with your sibling.. to just carry on. Dean had to find something to fight for (Bobby's own words)... we know he is ready for revenge. I agree it's hard to predict, which makes it more fun to watch. Also if this is the last year.. then maybe our boys don't ride off into the sunset, but maybe they ride off in the Impala healed and together like they haven't been for years! I would be ok for them to shut that trunk and go off together hunting things, doing the family business.

[morganlucas41]

Well, I definitely think that's where this all may be headed. If there's no one else, that would probably force Sam and Dean to work out their own issues, which is something I want MOST from the show. But, to me, them riding off in the Impala together...with no one else in the world, isn't what I want. Their relationship is central to the show and important to me, of course, but I'd like there to be something more for them at the end than just each other. I guess - I want their relationship to be okay, but I don't want them to have just that, either.