Excerpts from Tremblay's Transport Proposal

[ccord]

Since there have been some posts on Tremblay's transport proposal, here are some figures from the report, which is available from the Ville de Montreal website...

Remplacement des voitures du metro MR-63: 1140 M$ (75% payer par la province)(p.92)
Remplacement des voitures du metro MR-73: 1140 M$ (p.92)
Prolonger la ligne 5 (bleue) de Saint-Michel

Comments

[hub_]

any actually link to the report?

[morbius72]

Permettre a la ligne Saint-Jerome-Montreal d'utiliser le tunnel sous le Mont Royal: 50 M$ (p.90)

Being currently living in St-Jérôme (I'm moving in Montreal in september), I can say this would be a huge improvement to the current line of bus 9 (St-Jérôme) taking 90 minutes to get to Montmorency and then taking the metro to wherever we want to go.

[mcfilmmakers]

The 900 million could be better spent extending the metro towards NDG and the west island in my opinion but that's just me.

[anarkya]

We don't need the metro, we got the 211 and all those buses starting from Dorval!
(I'm being sarcastic btw)

[canadiens1160]

1) I know the blue line definitely has less ridership than the STM expected when originally opening the line. I hope that when they extend it, it will spur increased ridership. The orange line has seen a large increase in passengers since the opening of the three Laval stations, leading to the need to use some of the old crap green line cars on the orange line to cope with rush hour.

2) The greater reason for tramway closing in Montreal, and in North America in general, was the rise of the automobile. Auto manufacturers even went as far as to buy out tramways and close them so that they could sell more cars. I agree the snow will be a problem, and I guess the tramways will get priority snow clearing....black ice will still be an interesting experience, though!

[ccord]

If I remember correctly, one of the reasons why the Blue Line both shuts down earlier, and often features fewer metro cars, is that it was never finished. In essence, it was always meant to be extended to Anjou in the east, and into western NDG/Montreal Ouest in the west, thus adding some major, populated areas to the route. Because those additions were never made, and daily commuters thus couldn't be attracted, the Line couldn't meet the potential that was originally envisaged for it.

[zadcat]

There seems to be good evidence that extending the blue line to Pie-IX will make it more popular. (Extending the orange line up to Laval has made it almost too popular at rush hour, according to things I've read recently.)

Trams were removed in Montreal for the same reason trams may come back: fashion. After World War II big auto firms were bribing cities to buy buses and trash their trams, making trams sound old-fashioned and stodgy, and Montreal fell in line. Trams worked fine in Montreal from 1890 till the mid 1950s, so they must've been able to do something about clearing snow off the tracks.

[canadiens1160]

I am always happy to see large investments in public transit. I think it is wise to extend the blue line east before thinking about a metro out west, for two main reasons:

*The east end of Montreal is, generally, lower income than the west island. and has historically been woefully underserved

*As readers of the Fagstein blog will note, extending the metro to the West Island would involve digging a huge amount of tunnel just to serve places like Pointe-Claire and DDO....tunnel is ridiculously expensive and you need to go a lot more distance to plunk stations in the west island than you do to serve the east end of montreal.

I think the West Island does indeed get fucked in the public transport arena, but the key is grossly increasing bus service and light rail, instead of digging holes in the ground.