Roland: Guess it's your turn, Vossler. When did you realize you'd gotten to enjoy it?
Vossler: ...In copulation, or mind alone?
Roland: Well, I meant in mind, but I won't stop you.
Vossler: [sigh] In large part I do not understand how anyone compelled to serve is not also compelled to endure, to prove himself capable of bearing not only his liege's pain but his own. In that sense, the instant I was called, so desperately, to knighthood, was the instant I accepted that I would eagerly accept pain.
Leoben: Accepting pain isn't the same as enjoying it.
Vossler: [scoffs] There you're right--but you cannot enjoy it if you do not accept it.
Subaru: Yes, you can, Azerasu-san.
Leoben: I'm with him. Our enjoyment of it, our intrinsic enjoyment of it, is what helps us accept it, defend it...use it. [dangerous little smirk] You're wired to enjoy it before you know. It's the pain that calls you--that called you, good Sir, not the desert, not the sword. And you seek out someone who's not afraid to make you hurt and pretend it's for the good
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Vossler York Azelas and Subaru Sumeragi, the one where they discuss the role of an adult mentor in the development of a child's moral and social consciousness.
Subaru: [is smoking quietly] I met Seishirou-san when I needed him, when I needed someone like him. Whether it was true or not, at the time he was the only person who really encouraged me to be myself, to do what I wanted to--and to understand that what I wanted to do would come with a price, that I really affected the world around me and was affected by it. [sighs] I've always been a very selfish person. But he taught me that everyone is, everyone's selfish, everyone's lonely, and everyone's in pain. Even him--he never really admitted it, but I learned it anyway. And the difference between people who know that everyone hurts and people who don't...well. If you think people can be happy, or are supposed to be happy, you'll try to save the ones who aren't. But if they're not...if pain and want and selfishness are the status quo, if it's never been a good world...then saving them is an illusion
( ... )
John: A priestess first, a goddess after. There are six elemental gods--she served the Dark and was exalted to its avatar.
Leoben: Then isn't your leader the same as the saints he derides?
John: No. The cult takes the name of the priestess who inspired it--we call her goddess, and appease her, but our service is in her name, to credit that which she credits. Saint Iocus--
Leoben: [laughs out loud, but not loudly--rolling back his head]
Roland: [also gets it, and groans but smiles]
John: What now?
Roland: A cosmic irony.
Leoben: Not even a good enough pun for irony. Just a cosmic joke.
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Vossler: ...In copulation, or mind alone?
Roland: Well, I meant in mind, but I won't stop you.
Vossler: [sigh] In large part I do not understand how anyone compelled to serve is not also compelled to endure, to prove himself capable of bearing not only his liege's pain but his own. In that sense, the instant I was called, so desperately, to knighthood, was the instant I accepted that I would eagerly accept pain.
Leoben: Accepting pain isn't the same as enjoying it.
Vossler: [scoffs] There you're right--but you cannot enjoy it if you do not accept it.
Subaru: Yes, you can, Azerasu-san.
Leoben: I'm with him. Our enjoyment of it, our intrinsic enjoyment of it, is what helps us accept it, defend it...use it. [dangerous little smirk] You're wired to enjoy it before you know. It's the pain that calls you--that called you, good Sir, not the desert, not the sword. And you seek out someone who's not afraid to make you hurt and pretend it's for the good ( ... )
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Leoben: Tell me about this goddess of yours.
John: A priestess first, a goddess after. There are six elemental gods--she served the Dark and was exalted to its avatar.
Leoben: Then isn't your leader the same as the saints he derides?
John: No. The cult takes the name of the priestess who inspired it--we call her goddess, and appease her, but our service is in her name, to credit that which she credits. Saint Iocus--
Leoben: [laughs out loud, but not loudly--rolling back his head]
Roland: [also gets it, and groans but smiles]
John: What now?
Roland: A cosmic irony.
Leoben: Not even a good enough pun for irony. Just a cosmic joke.
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Suzaku: I take any order they give me. Any order, in the hope of absolving myself. And then I'm forced to live with the consequences.
Roland: I hear you there.
Subaru: [twitch] Yeah.
John: My master so rarely respects that particular tenet.
Leoben: Mine actually uses that against me. She's killed me personally seven times.
Vossler: I truly pity you your unkind lots and their maltreatment.
Leoben: You'll get yours. I hope you like it.
Vossler: Her Majesty is not unkind--
Leoben: No, killing you will be an act of mercy.
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