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mistersleepless

Undertow

Dec 13, 2003 14:42

What if Mr Hyde had had kids ( Read more... )

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Re: The scientific question... thesheryl December 13 2003, 22:29:42 UTC

you should read Skepticism and Animal Faith by Santayana. that is if you can stand early twentieth century philosophers who write in prose. the concepts sound right up your alley.

Re: The scientific question... padmaclynne December 13 2003, 22:52:50 UTC

It's not just science teaching. I think the best example is history, because the lies are so much more blatant, and don't actually simplify the concept in any way. Usually it's just that we want to instill patriotism before the wee ones lose faith in humanity. While we're at it, the lies aren't really communicating truths.

sorry, thanksgiving makes me bitter.

Re: The scientific question... librarygorilla December 14 2003, 23:52:14 UTC

It's funny you should mention this. I had a chemistry teacher, oh say fifteen years ago, that told us that. He said "What I'm telling you isn't the truth, it's a lie you'll understand."

And he was right. It was kind of an eye opener because I'd never had a teacher so forthright with me. It's a concept I've kept in mind ever since.

wanton_bliss December 13 2003, 20:34:59 UTC

The 21st Century's first great cultural disappointment, the MATRIX films

Christ, I am glad someone said it.

The Henge and Green hirudo December 13 2003, 20:35:51 UTC

In regards to the ancient britain part of your post-I've just been re-reading a historical novel called The Crow Goddess(by Patricia Finney)which is set around the time of Hadrian.The protagonist is Lugh,a Celt/Roman half-breed and it's a fasinating read because of the way it brings to life Romano-celtic society.My favorite thing though is that Miss Finney equates the Tuatha de Danaan with the Bronze Age people,living a hidden life alongside Iron-Age Celts.She's created this remenants of Bronze-Age society who've survived into the period of Roman Britain with nods towards fairy and Celtic mythology,weaving a believable source for the aforementioned myths.
There is also a preceding book,A Shadow of Gulls,which I've not read but which is set mostly in Iron Age Ireland.
Your description of the Henge and Green sounds more like a neolithic setting but I thought I'd mention this anyway. :)

adam_is_klingon December 13 2003, 21:17:39 UTC

And what were the hippies?
The punks?
Were they not toned down versions of Hyde, giving in to their basic instincts, fucking and being violent, as they pleased?

mistersleepless December 13 2003, 21:20:47 UTC

Did you ever meet any punks or hippies?

Somehow, I suspect that Edward Hyde wouldn't have gotten his hair cut two years later and obtained a job in retail.

adam_is_klingon December 13 2003, 21:22:04 UTC

oh, no, I don't mean geneticaly.
I'm talking about what Hyde represents.

adam_is_klingon December 13 2003, 21:31:10 UTC

and yes, I know, Hyde does not represent "growing up", if you will, getting a haircut and setteling down.
And the fact that that is exactly what most punks and hippies did does deprive from the general saying and outcry that their movemnts meant to convey.

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pandoras_closet December 14 2003, 10:06:54 UTC

I think the idea was that it was better to live in the real world, however bad, then be imprisoned in a fantasy, however comfortable.

The whole movie is a thinly disguised excuse to dump philosophy on us anyway.

Though if you liked the so called "bullettime" effects, go pick up a movie called Bound starring Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly.

The Wachoski's directed it years before they did the Matrix and it has some early experiments with bullettime, so it's kind of cool.

That and Bound has lesbians, which improve the whole thing, really.