During the reign of the fallen Watchers, among whom Azazel serves as a leader, Uriel, Raphael and Gabriel approach the throne of God and request divine intervention, which results in the Flood. (I have yet to figure out what the request implies, exactly: the archangels find themselves out of their league in their battle against the fallen Watchers, so they needed God to intervene for them; they are incapable of accomplishing a big enough of an intervention, so they need God to intervene for them with the Flood; or they have the capability of unleashing the Flood but need to obtain permission in order to do so. Honestly, I don’t think I’ll ever figure out the answer for sure.)
I don't know if I was taught it or if it's just in my background as a horror fan so horror conventions and religion tends to blur.
But I thought the Flood was to wipe out the Nephilim and the human followers of the Gigori (Watchers). That although the archangels could kill "their own" - they were not permitted to kill others without Divine Orders or
Could very well be. That sounds about right; I'm fairly new to Enoch, though, so I can't give a definitive opinion at the moment.
That's interesting, though...because Uriel definitely wanted to wipe out the town with or without Dean's agreement. Castiel had to remind him of their orders.
Anything that can see itself separate from God's Creation has Free Will. It's kind of part of the Fall. Lucifer perceives himself separate from God and asks the other angels to choose. The idea that they can choose - that they have free will - sparks the war in heaven.
It amuses me to no end because in Season 1 witchofthedogs and I wrote The Good Son and The Good Soldier in part as a discussion on how angels dealing with Free Will would play out in the SPN Universe.
And pretty much it was that the Angels were given Free Will during the war and those that chose Duty were saved and the others fell.
No real comments (except if there was a war in heaven, there was free will and the sides were already picked, and anyone still in Heaven would know that to chose the other side would mean living in darkness and w/o God).
I just thought your research was awesome and you should be complimented on it.
Thank you! And I agree that free will is certainly present. It's just interesting; growing up in a family heavily involved in church and attending private school, I've heard and been taught a lot of stuff, and it's always been said to me (by multiple denominations) that angels do not possess free will. Doesn't take a whole lot of imaginative thought to see that they in fact do.
Thanks very much. :) It's a really broad subject to try to think about, you know? Lots of questions. And I'm really enjoying this season of SPN and how it's letting us sort of work through those questions, at least to some degree.
I really hope we get to see some free-will action on Castiel's part. :) Not necessarily action against God, but action that is solely Castiel's.
I am blown by the amount of work you put into this and the seriously fascinating, intelligent questions you asked about angels and free will. And ZOMG book of Enoch! You really went all the way in your research!
I too have been poking about the mythology surrounding angels, and it bothers me to see the Watchers portrayed so badly- I think it is far nobler to be capable of loving an imperfect creature like a human than loving a perfect creature, like God.
And I had no idea about how the sirens were created- thats awesome! Id definitely love to see them on the show, as well!
Comments 28
(The comment has been removed)
Reply
I don't know if I was taught it or if it's just in my background as a horror fan so horror conventions and religion tends to blur.
But I thought the Flood was to wipe out the Nephilim and the human followers of the Gigori (Watchers). That although the archangels could kill "their own" - they were not permitted to kill others without Divine Orders or
Reply
That's interesting, though...because Uriel definitely wanted to wipe out the town with or without Dean's agreement. Castiel had to remind him of their orders.
(I like your icon. :D)
Reply
Anything that can see itself separate from God's Creation has Free Will. It's kind of part of the Fall. Lucifer perceives himself separate from God and asks the other angels to choose. The idea that they can choose - that they have free will - sparks the war in heaven.
It amuses me to no end because in Season 1 witchofthedogs and I wrote The Good Son and The Good Soldier in part as a discussion on how angels dealing with Free Will would play out in the SPN Universe.
And pretty much it was that the Angels were given Free Will during the war and those that chose Duty were saved and the others fell.
(I made the icon! Thank you!)
Reply
I just thought your research was awesome and you should be complimented on it.
Reply
Reply
(The comment has been removed)
I really hope we get to see some free-will action on Castiel's part. :) Not necessarily action against God, but action that is solely Castiel's.
Reply
I too have been poking about the mythology surrounding angels, and it bothers me to see the Watchers portrayed so badly- I think it is far nobler to be capable of loving an imperfect creature like a human than loving a perfect creature, like God.
And I had no idea about how the sirens were created- thats awesome! Id definitely love to see them on the show, as well!
Reply
Reply
Leave a comment