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sunnytyler001 June 1 2008, 14:16:03 UTC
I don't think she's going to die. I even think she might be a regular, in Moffat's DW. As a companion, maybe even as the Doctor's lover... and then as a baddie.
And a truly god one. Manipulative and all that.
She said it: "I lied. I'm ALWAYS lying."

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measi June 1 2008, 14:30:15 UTC
Where did she say "I lied. I'm always lying?" Don't even remember that.

Although I admit, I scratch my head at your belief she's going to be a baddie. I don't get that vibe from her at all.

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sunnytyler001 June 1 2008, 15:21:15 UTC
River Song: Hello, sweetie ( ... )

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measi June 2 2008, 13:21:21 UTC
Once she had herself admit she was a liar, all she said can be taken as a lie.

I'm sorry, but you're taking this to an extreme that I just scratch my head at. She said it to a greedy capitalist who's looking out only for his family's interests. Context is important.

She's lying about there not being other expeditions - she knows there's always a chance for others to be there.

Do you consider the Doctor a liar (and therefore would have to hold to your same standard) since he intentionally lied to her when he told Rose that he sang a song and the Daleks ran away?

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misplaced_ice June 1 2008, 15:15:08 UTC
It's 3am here so my brain isn't quite in the coherent zone but I'll try...

I enjoyed it but found it a little disappointing - which is probably because I have such high expectations for Moffat stories. But I did enjoy it anyway.

The ghosting was quite heart wrenching. Not so much with Proper Dave but definitely with Miss Evangelista.

I hope River Song dies. Not because I don't like the character (I do) but I think it would be brilliant on the whole drama/narrative/blah blah thing.

I really like the whole "fear of the dark" being rational and sensible - there really is something there. This lead nicely into...

I wasn't as freaked out by this episode as I have been about previous Moffat stories. The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances scared the crap out of me. I watched it at some stupid hour of the AM (probably around 3am) and was actually terrified of walking down the hallway to the loo in case some freaky gas mask kid was all creepy at me.

Blink literally gave me nightmares. I woke myself up because, in my dream, I was all "I ( ... )

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measi June 2 2008, 14:08:09 UTC
I like River as a character so far, too. Kind of a ballsy woman, confident in herself. Able to stand up to the Doctor. Still too early to determine whether I'd like her as a companion, but I do admit that I like the idea of the Doctor falling in love with someone, and then having their lives intertwine off and on through time travel.

SitL hasn't given me any serious chills either (although it's creepy in that fun, curl up on the couch and giggle sort of way), but that could change of course with the second half. :)

I'm looking forward to next week, too.

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measi June 4 2008, 20:37:54 UTC
Definitely not as creepy as Blink. But Blink is just... well... you and I have talked at length over the fabulousness of Blink. :)

SitL is creepy, but in a more subtle way, I think. It's individual concepts, not the entire friggin' thing.

It's made me change my whole perspective on Noby's dust-chasing in the sunbeams, however. Far more amusing, now.

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whishastar June 1 2008, 21:33:14 UTC
"I think River Song is going to die in episode 9. Really do. I think it's going to be one of those "curses of time travel" situations that the Doctor, upon meeting her at the first moment in HER timeline, will know ultimately how she dies, and has to carry that knowledge with him throughout their relationship. (perhaps that's why his eyes look so much older when River knows him?) It's a weird mirror that works... when he first meets River Song in his timeline, she knows events in his future. And he does the same when he meets her."

Wow...that's horrible, wonderful, and brilliant all at the same time. I kinda hope that's how it works out. Not b/c I dislike her character, I think her character has real potential. But I really think that would be just a perfect fit for The Doctor's character.

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measi June 2 2008, 14:08:58 UTC
The Doctor loses everyone - it is fitting in a way, even if it's depressingly sad.

(it's happy for deep people...)

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kalleah June 2 2008, 00:05:15 UTC
One thing that I've seen elsewhere in the last day (I think over on DWF) is someone suggesting that River Song found the book somewhere and is using the book for nefarious purposes to get close to the Doctor... and if the Doctor read it, he'd discover the truth.

Oooooh. I like this theory. There's just enough of an edge to her where she could be a magnificent baddie. Hmm.

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measi June 2 2008, 14:12:47 UTC
There is... I just don't get that sense from her for some reason. But it is a fun little theory, and would play out brilliantly if true.

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fajrdrako June 2 2008, 03:42:36 UTC
Interesting comments. I'd like to think that River Song won't die, if the Doctor loves her - he's had too much tragedy already. But I'm not convinced that's quite the future that will happen. I trust her, but I also sense a trick, a bit of Moffat slight of hand.

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measi June 2 2008, 14:11:37 UTC
Thanks for commenting. :)

I definitely agree there's quite possibly a Moffat trick in here. As I said in the beginning of my thoughts... Moffat's episodes are never straight forward. And I love that about him.

So if I'm completely blind-sided and going down the wrong path with this, the reveal becomes even more fun for me. :)

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fajrdrako June 2 2008, 16:53:33 UTC
Moffat's episodes are never straight forward. And I love that about him.

I do too. There's so often a twist of the unexpected, a surprise out of nowhere. But it always makes sense in the end - some sort of sense.

if I'm completely blind-sided and going down the wrong path with this, the reveal becomes even more fun for me.

I agree. And we'll know in five days!

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measi June 3 2008, 16:37:34 UTC
I agree. And we'll know in five days

Ugh... time must go faster. :)

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