I Give Up...

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I tried. I really did. But Marshall and Mary-muse are leaving me no choice. I must tap the huge board mind for opinions if I ever hope to get over this next chapter in "Fury & Flames" (Which is about half done at present, finally

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Re: tough one

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Tell me about it. It's why I hit such a bad road block in the story, which, ironically started BECAUSE of this scene. Mary-muse wanted it. And Marshall-muse caved. Sigh.

Indeed a tough one.

[astrilde]

I think it would depend heavily on the situation and motives/emotions behind it. If they were training I would say an eventual tie but if one of them was really angry then I could see another result

Re: Indeed a tough one.

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Indeed. It's basically rough housing while training, their "spar", so I tend to agree with the "she'll kick his ass if he doesn't give 100%". That, and I really can't see Marshall humoring her KNOWING she has no problem aiming for his sensitive spots.

Re: Indeed a tough one.

[astrilde]

I'm onto chapter 2 now and have gotten the story back into my head.

So it's a training fight then. Less emotion perhaps then more about mood. If Mary is having family 'issues' then a few good swings and she will be taking out her frustration of whomever she is fighting. As someone else said who is there would matter, if it was just the two of them in the gym with no-one watching it could get quite interesting with UST by the bucketful. If it is a USMS training thing and others were present they would both have the incentive to impress, Mary to take down Marshall and him not to be beaten (or be seen to go easy) by a woman.

Re: Indeed a tough one.

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Local FBI, APD, and USMS galore.

It's a ABQ law enforcement circus, and they'll be one of the main attractions, lol.

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I've always seen Mary as a backroom bar kind of brawler. As a Marshal, I think she'd have to have had some kind of fight training but Marshall would have had the exact same training. So they would be on equal footing there. But Marshall also strikes me as the kind of guy who would know about and have taken additional martial arts type classes, especially those that involve stress or nerve holds, just because he would have been fascinated by them.

So that said, I think in a forced throw down (where for some reason Marshall can't back out of it), Mary would revert to a brawler style hoping it would throw Marshall off his game. He, of course, would end up taking a few shots, get fed up, and take her down. I can also see Mary getting a whole new appreciation for Marshall simply because he *can* take her down, even though he'd twist himself six way to Sunday to avoid fighting her. Sort of like the whole Amazon mythology where an Amazon would only bear a child to a man who could take her in a fight. Otherwise, he just wasn't worthy.

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Interesting take on it. And OMG, thank you for giving me the BEST scene idea. *cackling in delight*

[astrilde]

Now that would be one HOT fight.

[astrilde]

Agrees that Marshall would have studied more than just the USMS hand2hand combat to give him some tricks to pull in sticky situations. Of course he wouldn't use those in training as then they wouldn't be secret tactics.

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(as a side note in case it's relevant to what i say: i'm nowhere near up-to-date on fury&flames. waiting to read the whole thing in one go. but my (disjointed and perhaps nonsensical) thoughts anyway

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Fortunately, knowing my story isn't exactly necessary.

It's a sparring match in a gym with a bunch of other cops, agents, and marshals as spectators, though Mary is looking to let off some steam. She's mad/frustrated. And healing. And the owner suggested she spar with her partner - an idea she jumps upon with some eagerness.

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And healing.
Oh shit son, if we're talking physical injury, ooooh. Might slow her down or otherwise handicap her, would definitely slow Marshall down.

Anyway, in this case, here's what I would do (not to say this is what you have to do, but you know, ideas and stuff): Marshall is going to be as exclusively defensive as he can for as long as he can get away with it, both to help with the steam-release and out of deference for whatever injury we're talking.

(edited for html fail. good one, pip. good one.)

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Yeah. Shot in the leg. Not serious, but it's about a month after the fact. So healed, mostly, but...heh.

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I haven't read your story either, because I avoid WIPs like H1N1 + I resist being taken off the board to read stories. (Long story, there, and involved a seriously imbedded virus on someone else's board/site that destroyed my compie and, in the process, ate 3 chapters of a story.) a-Hem.

Based on what we've seen, and on my fighter friends (counts: four of them, yep. Two have fighter girlfriends) I'm voting this way:

Mary and Marshall have received basic training in police control holds and wrist locks. They've been taught all the rules of gun handling, including Tueller's drill, which illustrates the need to fire when an attacker is 21 feet from them. (Casual internet search will pull this info up.) So in basics, they're equal.

Mary, being a girl, probably fights like a girl when she is pushed. Meaning; she does whatever she has to do to win. Bite, pull hair, gouge eyes, kick in the crotch, throw dirt, throw elbows. She brawls.

Marshall, in my opinion, also can brawl, because, when hard pressed for it, HIS goal is to win

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I think Mary bites when cornered. I think Marshall is fully aware that she bites when cornered. :) I think he could ultimately subdue her if compelled to do so.

*snort*

Too true. I LOVE the imagery all those scenario descriptions gave me. Though, admittedly, my MaryMuse is sneering in my head at the idea of him beating her in a footrace. Or anything, for that matter. Heh.

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Though, admittedly, my MaryMuse is sneering in my head at the idea of him beating her in a footrace.

She might be sneering, but there's a reason why the Olympic men don't run races against the Olympic women. And why there's a Men's winner and a Women's winner in every marathon.

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Sadly true. And with those delectably long legs, Marshall could run far...