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bethbethbeth October 16 2009, 17:40:03 UTC
I get what you're saying about John, but I really took that last exchange to be more of a "wouldn't it be nice if we - and Jesse - didn't have to know how terrible the world was" kind of thing.

(meanwhile, the Jesse plot was totally 'borrowed' from Good Omens, but I still liked it!)

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marinarusalka October 23 2009, 02:00:12 UTC
The Jesse plot was definitely a Good Omens... uhm... homage. I'm holding out hope that one day a Kripkean version of Crowley will show up.

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kradical October 16 2009, 18:47:45 UTC
Jesse's Mom was played by Ever Carradine, who is part of the Great Carradine Acting Clan (daughter of Robert, granddaughter of John, niece of Keith and David, cousin of Kansas and also of Martha Plimpton), and has been a recurring player on Eureka recently as Carter's free-spirit sister.

I'm guessing that the antichrist is one of those can-only-happen-once-under-the-right-circumstances-when-the-stars-align-right thingies. At least I hope so, otherwise, yeah, why did Azazel bother with all that nonsense and why aren't there more?

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marinarusalka October 23 2009, 02:08:52 UTC
Yeah, I figure Jesse had to be born on a night when the stars aligned or something like that (the way the Colt was made when Haley's comet was in the sky). I just wish they'd made that explicit. It couldn't have been too difficult to have Castiel throw in a sentence about it during his expositioning.

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writingpathways October 16 2009, 21:25:00 UTC
I kind of read the last scene of them not so much truly wishing they were lied but wishing at the same time they could have stayed innocent of all the dark and evil knowledge they know because it hurt them a lot to have to destroy Jesse's innocence just because the kid was born an 'anti-christ'.

Though it was a bit bizarre because it's obvious that John did lie to them to keep them as innocent as possible and that he did it a lot longer with Sam than he did with Dean. So they did get a dose of it but compared to people without SPN knowledge maybe they just can't see it.

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marinarusalka October 23 2009, 02:11:12 UTC
Not only that, but in the flashbacks we saw that Sam was really pissed at John when he discovered that John was lying to him. Sam and Dean both have always hated it when people they cared about lied to them. So it seems weird for them to suddenly be wishing for it now.

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marinarusalka October 23 2009, 02:11:37 UTC
The question is, do Nephilim exist in the SPN universe?

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dotfic October 17 2009, 21:56:10 UTC
I don't think that last scene was about how John screwed up. It was about the what-ifs, thinking about how their lives were vs. how other kids grew up. Because the episode just illustrated, sometimes the truth is the only option.

This isn't the first time they've talked about the retaining of innocence -- it happened in S1, only that time it was Sam wishing it for the kids they'd just saved, and Dean saying he wished it for Sam too. This is the first time I remember seeing Dean say it, for himself.

Two weeks. Meh. And then we get lots of episodes! And then we get the hiatus from hellllllll.

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marinarusalka October 23 2009, 02:12:16 UTC
Man, I don't even want to think about the hiatus. I think my head will explode from the anticipation.

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