The Dark Knight and other odds and ends

[mangoprophetess]

It's been an interesting couple of days, I guess.

I drove home at 1 in the morning after the Late-Nite show on Friday, because it was just too damn hot to attempt sleeping in my room.

Saturday then became The Most Useless Day Ever, as I watched baseball and then went to Jason's with Laura and watched Penelope. I now understand the James McAvoy

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[mangoprophetess]

As the Malevolent Trickster, the Joker's whole intention in life is to subvert everything, create chaos, and show people they aren't as worthwhile as they imagine they are. I totally agree with you on this point. However, in terms of the Chaucerian love triangle subversion, the Joker is the catalyst. In a way, Batman's intentions are irrelevant; the fact remains that he saved Harvey and not Rachel. Basically, the Joker is the mouthpiece of the screenwriters in the relationship between Batman/Rachel/Dent; he directs how their relationship will eventually play out. And it's a multilayered subversion at that.

1) The Knight's Tale love triangle is broken apart by the death of the woman. One is emasculated without gaining domestic fulfillment (Dent) and the other does not die nobly in battle (Batman

[moon_chylde]

For the first time, we have a comic book movie that wasn't made for kids or the kids inside all of us.

I agree (just saw it this afternoon). The first movie was edging towards this, this one took us there and I love it for that.

And with the ending, I have to wonder where it's going. Will the next one take off from there, or will we have a blah blah blah smoothing over three years later type thing to where it's all good again.

[mangoprophetess]

I hope not (re: final movie). I think, at the end, Batman will still be around, but Gotham won't actually need him anymore, but I don't think the movie will begin that way. You know, the whole "It's darkest before the dawn" as Dent says. I think that (possibly) Dick Grayson will come around and become the White Knight for Gotham, but not take up the Robin persona. But that's pure speculation. :)

[moon_chylde]

It's very hard to say. That ending left so many things wide open for possibilities, in a way I'm not really happy with it. And too, you had the Gordon family there, never showing the daughter, Barbara, who later becomes Batgirl. How old was she there? She looked young but maybe she's just small. That could be a set up for the future.

AND SPOILERS FOR THOSE READING COMMENTS SO BE WARNED

Speaking of Gordon, figured he wasn't dead because come on, he has to become Commissioner. But I was surprised that Rachel really was dead. Figured it was a ploy to keep her safe. I kept expecting her to pop up alive somewhere.

[mangoprophetess]

See, I really was surprised that Gordon's death was faked, because so much of these movies play with your expectations. You think Ra's Al Ghul is dead, but he's really somebody else; you think Batman will get the girl (both winning her heart and saving her), but she dies.

As for Batgirl, I don't know. She looked about 10, if that. If she's going to be Batgirl, she's going to be a very young Batgirl. It was only 3 years between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, afterall. Besides, I feel that if they haven't introduced a viable Robin yet, I don't think they will have a Batgirl.

But, who knows? Christopher Nolan and his playing with expectations. :)

[cryptor_00]

Sweet... go dying!