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Intertwingle

Jul 22, 2005 10:20

I remember 1975 as clearly as if it happened yesterday. Ted Nelson, the mad genius who invented Hypertext and Hypermedia, spake his Revelation from a waterbed, whereon he had been noddling with an electric banjo.

EVERYTHING IS PROFOUNDLY INTERTWINGLED.

In context, I knew exactly what he meant. But, today, I lightly investigated his neologism.

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Intertwingled, continued magicdragon2 July 22 2005, 17:45:40 UTC

... half of that time is spent in a like the one I'm typing in right at this moment to flesh out this post. The reason I cannot relax is that Web forms have not evolved in fifteen years -- there's still so few text editting [sic] features that I find myself manually searching and replacing sometimes. There aren't many activities more useless than eyeballing a

looking for text sequences when I know this is what computers were friggin' invented to do." <br /><br /> What set me off was that I was squinting in semibaffled concentration at "Superspace: or, One Thousand and One Lessons in Supersymmetry" by S. J. Gates et al., Reading MA: Benjamin/Cummings, 1983. <br /><br /> On page 363, Supergraph Rules, there are some Feynman Graphs, and the passage: "There are other tricks that one can use to simplify the manipulations.  We give the following 'twingling' rule which is often useful...."
                
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<strong class="item-subject">Re: Intertwingled, continued</strong>

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<span class="item-meta">July 22 2005, 17:47:45 UTC</span>
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                ... and half of that time is spent in a TEXTAREA like the one I'm typing in right at this moment to flesh out this post. The reason I cannot relax is that Web forms have not evolved in fifteen years -- there's still so few text editting [sic] features that I find myself manually searching and replacing sometimes. There aren't many activities more useless than eyeballing a TEXTAREA looking for text sequences when I know this is what computers were friggin' invented to do." <br /><br /> What set me off was that I was squinting in semibaffled concentration at "Superspace: or, One Thousand and One Lessons in Supersymmetry" by S. J. Gates et al., Reading MA: Benjamin/Cummings, 1983. <br /><br /> On page 363, Supergraph Rules, there are some Feynman Graphs, and the passage: "There are other tricks that one can use to simplify the manipulations.  We give the following 'twingling' rule which is often useful...."
                
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<span class="item-meta">July 22 2005, 18:54:11 UTC</span>
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                Tried to email, don't recall what link I used. <br /><br /> But in the writer's database on your web site, my email is wrong because of oldness. Now it's dragonet@kc.rr.com.  Everything is intertwingled, and qni (our very old isp) was last seen floating down the Missouri like a drowned steer, hooves up. <br /><br /> Paula Helm Murray<br />in Kansas City, MOO
                
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<strong class="item-subject">A Ted Nelson citation: Intertwingularity</strong>

<span class="item-meta">July 22 2005, 21:40:43 UTC</span>
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                <br />from <a class="external" href="http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html">Blue Sky: Miscellaneous</a>, <br />Submitted by Jamie Zawinski  to Miscellaneous. <br /><br /> ``Intertwingularity is not generally acknowledged -- people keep pretending they can make things deeply hierarchical, categorizable and sequential when they can't. Everything is deeply intertwingled.'' <br /><br /> -- Ted Nelson <br />
                
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<strong class="item-subject">He Do the Intertwingled in Different Voices</strong>

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                Nice web page with the key word in different fonts:<br /><a class="external" href="http://www.1000deaths.com/intertwingled.html">intertwingled</a> <br /><br /> intertwingled. Ted Nelson's term for the way he imagined all versions of a single text and all texts could be interconnected via hyperlinks. <br /><br /> intertwingled. My term for the way I imagine we are all interconnected. What one does impacts on another in unexpected ways. <br /><br /> We are more than intertwined, which suggests we are separate but together. We are more than intermingled, which suggests we are more alike than different. <br /><br /> intertwingled. separate, yet together. alike, yet different. intertwoven such that, together, we are more than we are apart. <br /><br /> © 2000 by Christine Smith All rights reserved. 
                
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<strong class="item-subject">Knots Intertwingled</strong>

<span class="item-meta">July 22 2005, 21:50:55 UTC</span>
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                <a class="external" href="http://www.ramanarao.com/blog/archives/2004/07/knots_intertwin.html">Information Flow blog<br />July 18, 2004<br />Knots Intertwingled<br />Categories: Design</a> <br /><br /> Sam Ruby’s entry Knot Theory really gets at the essence of what he finds interesting. And I’m right there in my own taste and interests. I’ve always admired his “intertwingly” address, though I believe it comes from Ted Nelson’s quote: <br /><br /> “Intertwingularity is not generally acknowledged, people keep pretending they can make things deeply hierarchical, categorizable and sequential when they can’t. Everything is deeply intertwingled.” <br /><br /> Though I agree with Ted Nelson so far as it goes as a theory of reality, I start to disagree with it as a design stance. The resolution is not to make things only hierarchical, categorized, or sequential, but rather to decide when and where to arrange them in these ways. Therein is the art of placement and composing of systems. <br /><br /> Posted by ramana at July 18, 2004 01:25 PM<br />
                
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