Comments | lyssie: Shut up, Alanis. SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP.

lyssie

Shut up, Alanis. SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP.

Jan 26, 2010 07:25

Fuck, I hate the 'Ironic' song. I keep trying to blast it out with Born Slippy, but it's not working--I could not sleep last night, I made lists in my head. I wrote meta. I had Travis voiced by Clive Owen telling Cally and Jenna that they were blown and then Soolin and Dayna joined them as they ran in heels for the car and piled in. Breaking Monte ( Read more... )

women are the best, invading poland

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ayiana January 26 2010, 13:49:05 UTC

2. I need to sit down and spill out my thought about why a woman is not anymore interesting when she's 'breaking gender roles' and that this idea is so fucked up and is WHY so many female characters are boring. The issues isn't breaking them, it's variety, dammit. It's not limiting women to babies, victims, love interests, little sisters and hookers.

Yes. Please. *sits up and begs*

Because this whole conversation/debate/meta series is making me furious. Now, apparently, women are only interesting when they're not being traditional so that traditional is, by definition, always bad? I just ... I don't even know where to start.

5. I am making a list. I am going to make a goddamn list and talk about how the shows and the fandoms are crap at this, that and the other thing, but HERE ARE THOSE WOMEN YOU CLAIM DON'T EXIST.

Wants it, Preciousssss. Wants it, I do. :-)

lyssie January 27 2010, 01:15:41 UTC

Hah. Yes, parts of this debate have been making me go, "wait, what?" because prefering women who act unlike other women? still privileging male character traits. NO COOKIE FOR THEM.

And that list may kill me. I want to have thoughts on each show (like, NCIS, love it though I do, is atrocious at saying "sexism is bad" it's excellent at saying, "sexism! exists!" but not on the former part).

mamaboolj January 26 2010, 14:45:16 UTC

All I have to say is ... I love Born Slippery! And would totally want it to drown out Ironic. But, damn, I got rid of my trainspotting icons during my big downgrade.

lyssie January 27 2010, 01:16:45 UTC

Awww. I am probably going to get disowned for this, but I've never actually seen Trainspotting.

mamaboolj January 27 2010, 14:19:21 UTC

*choke* Out of my flist you go!

*giggle* No disowning, because if we were going that route, you'd have disowned me long ago for not watching a 1/3 of the shows you watch and write about regularly. Trainspotting is challenging, honestly. The book more so than the movie. But they are both also hilarious and disturbing and thought provoking and entertaining all at the same time. Most of all, the movie has a frakking awesome soundtrack!

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lyssie January 27 2010, 01:18:40 UTC

2. PUNCHING PEOPLE, MERRY. I want to do it.

3. I know. I think my biggest issue is the way shows are portraying it as exciting/enticing (SVU is really bad about that, too)

5. I don't actually even care if they ARE awesome. If they exist? They go on a list. If fucking bit part male characters can get reams of fic about them, so should the bit-part women.

blue_crow January 26 2010, 17:04:45 UTC

I don't know, 'interesting' is pretty subjective. There are a lot of characters I find uninteresting- to start, the leading majority male. The white boy that comes from advantage and saves the day? Nine out of ten times I can't stand him (Paul Atredis is like the one exception I can think of- but say, Lee Adama does not.) In general I think female characters, when they're uninteresting are uninteresting for the following reason ( ... )

ladielazarus January 26 2010, 18:21:42 UTC

OMG. I am so glad that you said this about Padme because I've always been really frustrated with the way that he handled her.

He did such a great job with Leia, and then with Padme he just... forgot or something.

Also, completely yes on the Dee. She lost character ground until eventually she was just annoying if anything, and that made me sad because I really liked her in the beginning.

I think it's really sad that, after all the hard work and effort, women still don't have the right to just exist. We're all individual. Men get that consideration all of the time, and when it comes to us... nothing. Gr.

lyssie January 27 2010, 01:21:12 UTC

I am sorry that you cannot appreciate the awesome that is Anastasia Dualla.

havocthecat January 27 2010, 02:41:18 UTC

I remain uncomprehending about how the awesome that is Anastasia Dualla is not being shouted for the whole world to hear.

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meganbmoore January 27 2010, 00:36:27 UTC

At least TP had a lot of women running around and trying to get things done! Many issues there (right down to, like, the core concept), but I swear, that show was practically progressive (up until That Point) as compared to what's out there today. Which is actually depressing, really.

Dollhouse has one sole redeeming factor, and that is an excellent cast, most of whom were largely unknown to the US TV audience beforehand. If Dichen Lachman and Evver Gjojak go 5 minutes without new shows, there is no justice. Oh, ick, there's another episode left to air. Depressed again.

lyssie January 27 2010, 01:19:39 UTC

It had them some of the time, yes. But TP was awful about them being on-screen enough. I almost fast-forwarded a lot... it would have helped if the men had been at all interesting, I s'pose?
*pats*

miera_c January 27 2010, 01:41:48 UTC

Dichen and Miracle Laurie both should have STUNNINGLY SUCCESSFUL careers. Dammit.

meganbmoore January 27 2010, 01:54:17 UTC

Miracle Laurie totally wasn't in any of season 2 (and so there was no subplot about how Madeline committed suicide, which is so totally empowering because she chose how to die, and isn't that awesome?) because she was cast as the lead in a western about a female bounty hunter.

I have only seen 2 eps of s2, and so can delude myself that way.

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