Lost Chlollie friends, please say Hello and allow me to RANT

[lurkingchicken]

Late as usual, wanted to make sure I can keep in touch with my lost Chlollie friends, banned from K-site. Please tweet me, post here, anything and let me know how and where we can stay in touch. Just a shame.

I am here, DFN and @lurkingtweeter

Rant, which as you know, will not be quick.

I think TPTB over there did not expect the explosive and positive

Comments

[astrid26a]

It's sad that Cloisers see love and support for Chlollie as threat to Clois. It's like they think if they yell how much they hate Chlollie enough not only will the ship sink but all the shippers along with it. I don't visit K-site very much because long before Chlollie ever came along I was a Chlark shipper and the bashing came from first the Clana fans and then the Clois fans. And you know if you want to rant and rave or ship your favs that's fine but alot of them took it too far by bashing not just Chloe saying she's a useless character but AM personally calling her fat. Seriously AM is fat?! I mean I can understand shipping wars I watch soaps so I'm a vet when it comes to that but I draw the line at bashing the actors that play the roles and it's really sad that there are those that don't quite know when they've crossed the line!
Oh well I'm off to find you on twitter!

[lurkingchicken]

I just joined K-site 6-& months ago after a lot of lurking ;-) .. but one of the things I had read was that it was a "Chloe friendly" place. That turned out to be ... not so correct, as everyone I've met has said that it's never been like that. Barely Chlark tolerable for a short while.

It is SAD. It's a fan site and they should welcome all real fans (ban the haters and trolls, sure).

As to "attacks" on actors.. it can get ugly. Which is why I try to stay out of those mud fights. But at the same time, I do NOT think I am bashing when I say that I don't find .. IDK... Jennifer Aniston all that pretty. Better looking than I certainly, but I've never been WOWED by her looks (or acting). YMMV.

I really take exception to being called a basher or a hater when I talk about an actor's performance. I can have opinions, damnit! I mean .. Johnny Depp MADE Capt. Jack Sparrow such a great character and the reverse is true; a lesser actor giving a weak performance can make a character, show and story suck even worse.. Zod anyone? *eyeroll

[babydee1]

"I really take exception to being called a basher or a hater when I talk about an actor's performance. I can have opinions, damnit! I mean .. Johnny Depp MADE Capt. Jack Sparrow such a great character and the reverse is true; a lesser actor giving a weak performance can make a character, show and story suck even worse.."

Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, I'm looking at you... :-)

[lurkingchicken]

WORD! I watched every episode of the crappy Bionic Woman remake (#dontjudgeme the snark on the webs was hilar!) and I can't say that it would have lasted longer with a different lead actress, but still.. yikes.

I know mileage may vary, that's the point. But if enough people praise or dislike a certain performance, just stop with the bashing and name calling like those opinions are invalid... only because you don't agree with them

[kc_2009]

Always loving your rants, LC!! :)

I think the bans are temporary, so at list we'll have our kids back soon ;)

Everything you said is so freakin right, but that's k-site for you (starting with its runner)

I think haters felt actually threatened by the awsomness Chlollie is, and because TPTB has had nothing but good things to say about our ship. A year ago, no one gave a damn about Chlolliers, we were just the loonies shipping the imposible, but now that they see all we got, they can't stand it. Why? IDK, because there's people that are not happy unless the rest is unhappy.

But they won't bring us down, we can't let them.

[lurkingchicken]

Everything you said is so freakin rightWell there's that Claudia. Thanks, I might print that on a tee shirt. ;-) Still think it's suspect, fishy

[kc_2009]

I agree about the jokes about PMs and mods. Actually , I agree that the last thread went way off topic, myself included as guilty of charges. Is the way they did things, and mostly how evidently different is the way they treat us from the way they treat the rest of the fans. Did you saw the warning post a mod wrote in the Clois thread?? Check it for youself and laugh.. talk about favoritism.

[lurkingchicken]

Had not ventured into a Clois thread.. or stumbled across any warning yet in the Chlollie thread. Just seen what I have read here... and yes it does seem very biased.

The pictures and thread and post counts all got silly, as does the 10 thing. And we'd have stories about bad days or seeing Alison in a play. Well if that's off topic, why can't the MOD cut and repost it where it goes with a link? Help some people out to figure out where it "belongs." But then I'd hate to see the reaction by some there??? IDK.. I still think there are better ways to do it.

That said talk of wardrobe, like how much green Chloe wore.. very on topic with Chlollie as we almost always brought it back to seeing it as a "clue." Talk of the characters as individuals, their other ships... all of that is about who they are NOW and how it effects the Chlollie ship. I think we should be allowed to go there.

IDK.... still reading there too, back in a while ;-)

[h2osprincess]

Yep. K-Site has never done a very good job at passing itself off as neutral. Just from what I've seen in the few years since I wandered into SV fandom it looks like the site feeds ship wars because it helps their stats and increases ad revenue.

I am super impressed with Chlollie fans for hanging on to their dignity in such an obviously unfair environment. I've never been able to tolerate discussion threads over there, so I stuck to fic threads from the get-go.

[lurkingchicken]

I don't mind that it's not NEUTRAL.. it IS a fan site. It should be supportive of the show, I get that. Power to them! But how about a little more impartiality or just better support for ALL aspects of the show... and the FANS who watch it.

For someone like me who:

1) does not read fanfic (I'm too Chlollie obsessed as is ;-)
2) hides from spoilers
3) watches the show but NOT with blinders, finds flaws in it
4) REALLY enjoys discussing the show, warts and all, with an active group of other viewers
5) is reassured by meeting fellow shippers
6) has fun making new TV friends

Isn't a fan site such as that supposed to be for someone like me too?

It's a rhetorical question as clearly I think the answer should be YES. Unfortunately it looks like TPTB only want fanwanking "that was the best episode.. kiss... fight... ever" kind of posts. IDK??

Anyway thanks so much for reading, ranting with me. :-)

[apeygirl]

I gave up on the forum, outside the Adult fic section. If that starts proving unsafe, I'll take my toys (or my fic) and go home.

They got rid of Chloisers and Chlarkers already. They're working on Chlollie fans now to eradicate Chloe fan presence altogether. I don't think Craig wants it to happen. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose the traffic, but he needs to start focusing on keeping his mods in check. Someone posted their warning on the Clois thread and it was like night and day, how Chloe fans are treated. It's been going on for a while now, though. These mods are not unbiased and there's an obvious agenda to make it look like Chloe fans are a minority and no one really wants her on the show.

Jeez, maybe AM's read K-site and that's why she's less than eager to come back.

[lurkingchicken]

Thanks for the bit about the Clois thread, not sure what goes on there. As I stated, I just have rarely ventured out of the Chlollie thread as when I did.. it was not a fun place to be.

What I still don't get is, as a fan of the show, why am I not allowed to have a "negative" opinion once in a while? I mean if I think Lois or Clark or Chloe do something crappy and OOC, it's labeled bashing and I don't always agree with that.

Trust me, I pick those nits clean and totally call Chloe and Oliver on their b.s. The show too, the writers and yes the performances of the actors. YMMV.

It's also the idea that I am not allowed to like my own brand of vodka, gotta drink the same Kool Aid as everyone else. Really? If I can't have a personal preference for Chloe over Clark.. then like you I'll take my business elsewhere. :-)

Thanks for reading!

[nivieniv]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the case. I know KK is aware of the hatred her character has received, and I'm pretty sure that's why she always laughs it off and says no when people ask her if she'd be willing to come back for an episode or two.

I know it's just a character she plays, but I can't imagine she felt very welcome onscreen as the years went by.

[lurkingchicken]

It's got to be hard for all of them, I can't imagine how the actors really feel. I'd never snark on TW as a person, but as an actor.. his performances will be critiqued, by media and fans. Part of the gig. *shrugs*

FWIW my dislike for characters or 'ships usually has to do with how it effected the show as a whole, how those 'ships change the characters in them, etc. And of course, that's MY mileage and I don't always expect everyone to agree with me. (though they should.. cause I'm right ;-)

[iluvaqt]

I haven't posted outside fanart appreciation or fanfiction on K-site, but all the talk about it on the comm prompted me to do so. I haven't been on the board much lately, and if I get warned and subsequently banned, I think I'll wave my Chlollie flag high and say good riddance to a very poorly managed, biased and spam logged forum.

[lurkingchicken]

I think the best revenge is to turn their sourpuss lemons into the best damn lemonade there is, market it, sell, make millions with our ChlollieAde and retire in style.

Yes I am being snarky but I think a haters, a trolls goal is to make me miserable, to rile me or get me to do something that makes us look bad, or gets me banned. So if I rise above.. make my case, support my ship AND still manage to have FUN while doing so.. works for me.

Thanks for reading!

[serenitypoi]

Hi LC love, well said! I'm surprised we've lasted these last few months, with all of the things happening, that place changed for me when they banned Gen and left peeps who deliberately go on Chlollie/Chloe and Ollie threads to goad us into an argument. I actually had someone (who constantly winds peeps up with her negativity) tell me that I shouldn't talk about Chlollie in the Chloe Season 10 Arc and should go to our Chlollie thread! I reported her, this was the first time and I don't know if I can do it again, even though I joked about it earlier. She never got a ban, which considering how many times I've seen her taunt other peeps into an argument, should have happened

[lurkingchicken]

I'll do the same, stay there and represent the best of the Chlollie fans