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KKM Thoughts (Rant) #1 Arrogance?

May 13, 2011 01:40

I've always been just a lurker in every fandom I've ever taken in interest in, but for some reason, Kyo Kara Maoh has inspired me to actually write something, namely, the first in a series of rants. It may not make sense or even be organized but it is all because I'm a fangirl. ^_ ( Read more... )

wolfram, fandom, rant

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soypants May 24 2011, 15:53:53 UTC

Hmmm I do have to say that Wolfram was a bit arrogant in the first few episodes. I think that when Yuuri first appears, he is unused to the idea of his mother not being the head honcho and takes that out on Yuuri. I mean they've been waiting for this all powerful Maou to show up for years, and at first glance, Yuuri isn't even worth looking twice at, not to mention the fact that he probably didn't fit Wolfram's mental criteria what so ever ( ... )

lunarsensitive May 24 2011, 16:22:04 UTC

You make good points here, and I realize these are basic things I need to address in my rant. :P I see his behavior toward Yuuri in the first few episodes not as arrogance, but more as annoyance and fear because he doesn't want a bad/weak Maoh to take over after the war he esperienced and suffered through because of Stoffel. Cheri was never interested in being the Maoh, and the country paid for it. Wolfram simply is trying to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. Yuuri didn't seem to even want to be the Maoh which confirmed Wolfram's fears. I'd say he was expressing his disappointment more than actually showing arrogance. :) And anything harsh he may have said might have only be said because of the perfume that Yuuri had on ( ... )

soypants May 24 2011, 16:33:56 UTC

But then again, you have to keep in mind that Wolfram is a prince and the captain of a squad of soldiers and has probably been raised his entire life to think that he's better than everyone else, simply because he was spoiled as a child and the youngest. He's probably been coddled and babied and with that treatment, there is a certain degree of arrogance that comes with it. When you've lived your entire life as the son of a queen and suddenly, some stranger who houses the blood of the enemy claims to take your mother's place, its almost like a joke. And that's really what I think Wolfram was feeling. Like Yuuri was a joke and that there was no way he could possibly claim the highest position in the entire kingdom, to represent all of them, looking and acting the way he did. Wolfram probably held a certain arrogance during their duel that he could definitely beat Yuuri (which he made no secret of) and by that time, the perfume had probably worn off, leaving his words as his true feelings ( ... )

lunarsensitive May 24 2011, 18:32:06 UTC

But then again, you have to keep in mind that Wolfram is a prince and the captain of a squad of soldiers and has probably been raised his entire life to think that he's better than everyone else, simply because he was spoiled as a child and the youngest. That's probably true for commoners, but there is little evidence that Wolfram thinks he's better than the other nobles. And while he may feel his place in society is "higher" than the commoners, he still respects the commoners. In the episode when they were looking for the demon treasure in the town, they meet and interact with commoners, and Wolfram makes a comment about how they way they live is good too.

When you've lived your entire life as the son of a queen and suddenly, some stranger who houses the blood of the enemy claims to take your mother's place, its almost like a joke. And that's really what I think Wolfram was feeling. I agree, but that feeling has to be stronger than just a feeling of superiority or arrogance; it would be more like outrage, wouldn't it?

Wolfram ( ... )

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diorama23 May 24 2011, 20:58:32 UTC

Also, Wolfram is especially critical of himself, so I have a really hard time understanding why fans say he's arrogant.While I absolutely agree that Wolfram is hard on himself (I think more so on himself than anyone else), I think he can be arrogant but he's that way because he's afraid ( ... )

lunarsensitive May 24 2011, 21:18:37 UTC

While I absolutely agree that Wolfram is hard on himself (I think more so on himself than anyone else), I think he can be arrogant but he's that way because he's afraid.

I think underneath, Wolfram is very afraid and not very confident. I think he's overshadowed a lot by his brothers and Wolfram is struggling to find a place of his own. I'm basically in agreement there.

He's a brilliant elemental, apparently in the books he's the strongest in Shin Makoku after Yuuri. That's certainly news to me. I think in the anime, Gunter is supposed to be the strongest if I'm not mistaken, but hearing that Wolfram is the second strongest makes me happy. ^_^

but I think his love of Yuuri has given more fear too, which is why he's always acting jealous, deep down he knows that Yuuri doesn't love him (at first), but he's afraid to acknowledge it, it would hurt too much. I also think that, but I was gonna save that for a later rant. :D Though in the anime, I don't think Wolfram ever feels his love is reciprocated since anime!Yuuri isn't ( ... )

diorama23 May 24 2011, 21:25:53 UTC

I could be wrong about him being the strongest because I can't remember where I read that, but I do remember a conversation where they were discussing the top five - so though I could be wrong about him, he's absolutely in the top number of users. After a while it's hard to remember where I got info. I should put aside more time to read the books. Ha.

Wolfram is far more honest with his feelings than his brothers - the one thing I love about Wolfram is that at least he's willing to try. Conrad loved Julia from the shadows and although I think Julia knew Conrad never said anything, Gwendal, I think he loved as well but never did anything about it...but Wolfram he's going to try. He's going to tell everyone about how much he loves Yuuri and to hell with what anyone else thinks. Wolfram is much more courageous with his feelings.

lunarsensitive May 25 2011, 09:17:55 UTC

That's one thing I love about Wolfram. ^_^

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diorama23 May 24 2011, 21:14:40 UTC

I hope I didn't come across as overly critical,I like your thoughts. It's also fun to generate discussion - I'm a bit starved for KKM meta and character talk in this fandom :)

lunarsensitive May 24 2011, 21:21:01 UTC

Nope, not at all overly critical. :) I pretty much agree with what you wrote anyway. I just have problems putitng my thoughts into writing. And, I messed up my comment to you above by putting both your quotes and my thoughts in italics. x_x Forgive me, I'm sleep deprived. ;_;

amethystaura May 25 2011, 04:23:02 UTC

Before I begin, is your icon from Full Metal Alchemist? I know very little about other fandoms. KKM is one of the few mainstream fandoms I'm in, most of my fandoms involve canon yaoi ( ... )

lunarsensitive May 25 2011, 09:17:01 UTC

Yes, the icon is from Full Metal Alchemist! :) The only canon yaoi fandom I've been interested in was Gravitation. :D That was my first shounen-ai love.

Wolfram is a very proud character, and pride=/=arrogance. Like every character, he has a lot to be proud of. And every character does in fact display a certain degree of pride, not just Wolfram. So yes, it would also be wrong for fans to single out Wolfram.

Again, just like every character, Wolfram has insecurities, fears and vulnerabilities, which can be seen through the cracks in his apparent haughtiness. So yes, it's very wrong for fans to say that Wolfram is blinded to his faults by arrogance.

This is so true! The anti-Wolfram fans will insist that he's arrogant in an ugly way and use that as proof that Conrad is better than Wolfram.

To be honest, I too think Wolfram has certain traits of pride which may be described as slight arrogance. The difference is that I wouldn't criticise & judge him for it, in fact I find such nuances very attractive. There's nothing wrong in ( ... )