Spoiler warning: End of Days

Jan 05, 2007 11:46

Well, I still think it's all pish-tosh, but then, I'm still trying to get my head past the horror of Ep 12.
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justinlovesart January 5 2007, 01:23:21 UTC
And John Barrowman wasn't even any good at saying the line about the exuberant Roman soldier. Has he forgotten how to be gay???

Well, he was passed over for the role of Will in Will and Grace for appearing "too straight", after all.

I am still catching up on Torchwood, but between this and you previous post it's not looking very good. The whole series is quite uneven, although there are some excellent episodes. I have the feeling RTD is delegating a lot. Some Cowlippian-style control would be good in this case.

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 06:17:19 UTC
Well, he was passed over for the role of Will in Will and Grace for appearing "too straight", after all.

Yeah, well, maybe they had a point. I mean, he IS gay, but that doesn't mean he's good at it. It's just that, in the Nine series of Dr Who, he WAS!

I have the feeling RTD is delegating a lot.

I don't think he's written a single episode of Torchwood; not since the pilot, anyway. But he surely has enough control over the project to stop them from, er, reinterpreting RanDon. (As if G&R at their height require reinterpretation.)

I agree with you that there are some episodes that are very gripping, but they all lack the layering of Dr Who, and the characters with a real stake in the continuation of the human race. On Torchwood it's all about me me me.

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larissa_j January 5 2007, 01:33:35 UTC
This episode appears to establish that it's the Doctor who (hee!) Jack truly yearns after ("take my hand/I'm a stranger in Paradise" - sorry), whereas I thought RTD had him evenly positioned between DW and Rose

Me too. Maybe things changed once Jack became immortal?

Still scratching my head over poor old Estelle, around whom Jack's life revolved in 1941, but apparently only for five minutes. Did someone hit RTD on the head the week "Small Worlds" was produced, or was he just knocked out by its pong?

As I told you, Small Worlds is to Torchwood what Girl in the Fireplace is to Doctor Who. In the land of the OTP they are insignificant. I think RTD took a break the week those were written. Wish he'd stop doing that.

Anyway, Estelle made no sense at all. Moving on...

it just became all about the not-very-interesting characters and their inability to see beyond their boring lives.Dear God were they thick! Jack should have fired all of Torchwood, better yet, thrown them all into the rift ( ... )

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 06:09:47 UTC
Me too. Maybe things changed once Jack became immortal?

You have to be gay to be immortal? That explains why they can't have babies!

Jack should have fired all of Torchwood

I know. I got all excited when it looked like he was showing them all the door.

It would serve Torchwood right if Captain Jack wasn't there for the beginning of Season 2.

IMO the real Captain (Nine's one) wasn't there for any of Season 1 either. I hope he's not going to be such a wet blanket in Dr Who, which is obviously where he's gone just now.

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 06:12:19 UTC
You should at least see the perfidy that is the pinched Prom. Though I'm told it's already up on YouTube.

There is clearly going to be a Dr Who crossover with the last episode (Jack disappears at the end and we strongly suspect the TARDIS has got him). The last three episodes are really a triple-ep, but I haven't watched 11 and I seem to have the general idea (also, it looks like 11 is dominated by Owen).

Did you watch The Runaway Bride, OTOH?

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 11:23:42 UTC
It's a total ripoff. And it's excruciating that it takes Cowlip's best idea and cheapens it. (Now they'll think they're good writers, OMG.)

ITA about The Runaway Bride. The mentions of Rose were beautifully judged, and Tennant acted them really well.

I think Donna would've got a bit noisy after two or three episodes, but she would've been good for getting the Doctor to pull himself up by the bootstraps and get back into it. She was like one of those British schoolmistresses of the 50s: once she stopped whingeing I could see her saying to him, "Well - get on with it! Spit-spot!" like Mary Poppins.

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darksylvia January 5 2007, 06:40:00 UTC
but I'd have thought he could be a help to the Doctor in the richly satisfying crying-into-our-beer-over-her department.

That would be SO awesome.

And seriously, if the writers aren't CowLip, they've been taking lessons form them. Is RTD even reading the scripts that they hand in? And if so, how does he live with himself? GAH.

I love Captain Jack. I wish he were not in this stupid show.

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 11:18:45 UTC
I loved DW's Captain Jack. Not the glum guy in Torchwood.

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lucinda428 January 5 2007, 12:40:26 UTC
And if so, how does he live with himself? GAH.

I don't know. Sometimes I think he deserved Stuart Allen Jones (but the rest of the time I love him a lot :D )

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