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[andremeese]

So has anyone else seen officialgaiman today? It's worth taking a look at.

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[lumelle]

Which seems like a rather desperate attempt to make slash canon (which it isn't)
...I'm currently trying to convince myself that means "it isn't a desperate attempt". XD

Seriously, I agree with darthmaligna -- Gneil isn't killing the ship, he just shows the way Wikipedia sometimes twists things. That Azi/Crowley isn't canon doesn't mean that it isn't true; it only means that their relationship has never been taken to that level in canon.

[badmessiah]

Which seems like a rather desperate attempt to make slash canon (which it isn't)
...I'm currently trying to convince myself that means "it isn't a desperate attempt".

The first time, I read the line this way.. -_-"

This isn't canon could mean "the book doesn't have any references about this couple" and nothing more, couldn't it? XD

[lumelle]

At least that's how I understand it. :D

[badmessiah]

If something isn't written, it doesn't mean that doesn't exist..;)

[sailorptah]

I ship A/C because the canon characters make a good couple, not because the canon characters make a canon couple.

Wikipedia needs to strike a balance - acknowledging both the author(s)' intentions and the fans' activities. It's an encyclopedia; it should say how things are, not how either side wants them to be.

To that end, I'm working on the article. Any Wikipedians around, put your two cents in the discussion on the talk page =)

[akatonbo]

There's no such thing as "secret canon slash". There is such a thing as creators deliberately using subtext to appeal to female fans (both conscious slash fans and people who know nothing about slash but enjoy the subtext even though they wouldn't describe it that way), but believe me, it's MUCH less common outside of Japan than some fans seem to think, and no one was thinking of the slash fangirls in 1992.

People who insist that their favorite non-canonical pairing, slash or otherwise, is secretly canon or must somehow become canon or is somehow lessened by not having been made or acknowledged as canon just look silly.

[elliebethany]

Good comment, I agree.

And anyway, isn't the point of shipping in seeing the possibility of a relationship, not the existence of one? I at least don't know many canon pairings or real couples with an enthusiastic fanbase. I do understand that it doesn't feel nice when the creator of the characters declares he doesn't see the possibility that you're seeing, but still, the thing about the love between a slasher and a pairing, I would say, is that it's by definition never consummated.

[pure_trance]

I totally agree with you.

[use_theforce_em]

Thank you. Exactly.

[aphrodeia]

Which seems like a rather desperate attempt to make slash canon (which it isn't)

And bless him for saying this! I hate it when rabid fangirls try to make their fantasies right.

For all intents and purposes, C & A are asexual beings. ANY extrapolation is fanon. Good thing it doesn't have to be. *shrugs*

Signed,
A happy A/C shipper

[amberdiceless]

For that matter, to say "slash isn't canon" is almost redundant, since slash by definition means putting two characters together who are not a couple in canon.

I wonder sometimes if whichever of the two authors added the infamous "unless they really make an effort" qualifier had any idea how it would one day be exploited by fans...

[synekdokee]

What is it then when you slash a canon couple?

[amberdiceless]

I guess it's just fanfic. XD

[ajodasso]

No, it's more like canon subtext, which does exist. Subtext, by its very nature, can be either something the author(s) intends or does't intend. But it's still there, whether the intent was behind it or not. That's why subtext has been the best friend of fans everywhere since day one ;)