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[loneraven]

Seriously, what is it like to be able to sleep at night? I'm genuinely interested in knowing. What do you do with all that spare time?

(On a related note, this story made me FURIOUS, quite possibly irrationally, but still, how dare they basically imply that depression is your fault for going to bed too late. If you just went to bed early you'd be

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[msilverstar]

Study leader Dr James Gangwisch said although it it was possible that youngsters with depression struggle to sleep...

OH FUCKING DUH!

Am a parent. "Setting" a 17-year-old's bedtime is a polite fiction.

[loneraven]

Yes, that one annoyed me as well! When I was seventeen I was an insomniac and cranky, but I also had five A-levels to work for, a job, university applications to be getting on with - grown-up things! How does parents-setting-bedtime even come near it?

[shehasathree]

oh butbutbut OF COURSE correlation implies causation!!1! (how would it even be possible to tease such an issue apart, when it is extremely well-documented that a very high proportion of people experiencing depression also experience sleeping problems?!)

[loneraven]

But NORMAL PEOPLE go to bed on time! And NORMAL PEOPLE aren't depressed! Ergo, etc. *grooooan*

[47_trek_47]

I see I am not the only person to show up here saying that those studies should really be more careful about implying what causes what. Of course kids with depression sleep less at night. DUH. I need a mental health icon...

[fyrdrakken]

txtriffidranch has an oft-recurring rant about science reporting -- seems that even if the reporter understands the subject well enough to boil down the findings of a study accurately for a lay audience, their editor is all-too-prone to coming along and either A) making some changes to "jazz it up" (like an exciting-but-misleading headline, or attempting to link the subject to popular sci fi) or B) trimming for space in a way that just happens to introduce errors or eliminate necessary explanations. And once he got me started, I got into the habit of reading these things trying to guess which bits actually reflect the actual scientific findings and which are the journalistic skew to make it an "exciting story."

(Anti-feminist bias in reporting findings of gender-difference studies are something I've really gotten practiced in spotting. My personal favorite was the piece that linked high IQ and advanced training in women with lowered chances of marriage, and outright stated that it appeared that men really don't want to marry smart women. The

[tau_sigma]

I don't have time to read properly, as I'll be late for work (this job thing, it is odd), but oh, that makes me SO ANGRY too. And on a skim read, I can't help but think that they haven't considered that they may be mixing up cause and effect. Bugger them, anyway. Bugger them with a spiny anteater and NO LUBE.

(Shall return to read the rest of your post, after work.)

[loneraven]

"spiny anteater and NO LUBE" made me laugh! Bugger 'em, just so. :)

[tau_sigma]

I still have not managed to read these fics (well, those for which I know the fandom a little, anyway). *sigh* I'm going to get there.

:) I have, over the last few days, watched 'The Anal Lube Show' (extended episode of Mock the Week from the second DVD) at least twice. *g* It is clearly having too much influence on what I say...

[tau_sigma]

I have finally got round to reading these, all except Slings and Arrows, which is one fandom I find doesn't really work if you haven't watched it.

I have posted comments on 'Advent' and 'Boy Trouble', but it won't let me do so for 'Yes, Virginia'; I don't think I read it last year, probably because I thought 'ah, I don't know the fandom, there's no point reading it' but oh, there really is, I should have known, especially when it's you. And I love it, words cannot describe how good I think the whole plot and ending are, really. On more trivial bits: I love the fibreglass sheep, and the Pop Tarts, and the snow angels, cherubim and seraphim, and how good a writer you are, that you can write that and it ties in with the ending, and I have only just noticed.

And 'Prawn Crackers'; I haven't watched an awful lot of dinnerladies, but I liked it. :)

[highfantastical]

I JUST COMMENTED ON THE FIC WITH MY SQUEE BUT NOW I WANT TO SQUEE ONCE MORE, BECAUSE, JUST, OMG! FIC. FIC WITH ME IN IT!

[loneraven]

*vbg* I am so glad you liked it. When I realised I needed an elderly don OC in Oxford in 2059 I just could not get you out of my head. :P