If you "I just don't like her, I don't know why" right now I will cut you

[lokifan]

I’m still crushed. Heartbroken and furious and frightened. And it’s not only about having Trump as the US President. Clinton deserves to be the American president. She’s flawed, of course - as we all are, and certainly every president has been. I have plenty of friends who consider those flaws a bigger problem than I do and I truly do understand

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[kellychambliss]

"Crushed" doesn't begin to describe it, but I know what you mean. My feelings about Trump are rage, shock, horror, terror, despair. My feelings about Clinton are sadness and grief. Though I was ideologically closer to Bernie and had some beefs with Clinton, I was SO looking forward to her presidency. The good she could have done! It just breaks my heart. I fear I will be long dead before another woman has a chance.

As for the orange one. . .Oh, god, Loki, if the world comes out of this with nothing worse than an economic crisis, I'll consider us lucky.

[lokifan]

My feelings about Clinton are sadness and grief. Though I was ideologically closer to Bernie and had some beefs with Clinton, I was SO looking forward to her presidency. The good she could have done! It just breaks my heart.

Yeah, ALL OF THIS. I'm definitely closer to Sanders in a lot of ways (I mean I'm very left-wing for the UK, so...) but. She would've been amazing. And sixteen years of Democrat presidents would've done such such good. Because I do believe she would've got re-elected - her popularity dips when she's seeking office and rises once she has it, consistently. Because people fucking hate ambitious women, apparently.

Oh, god, Loki, if the world comes out of this with nothing worse than an economic crisis, I'll consider us lucky.

Oh absolutely!!! I didn't want to get into that too much, I wanted this to be about her not him, but yeah. The Supreme Court, the nuclear codes, healthcare... I really do fear for the US, and for what happens to the rest of us if he feels humiliated by a foreign leader.

[mywitch]

100%
HRC is a straight up badass and she would have been an amazing president. Unbelievably qualified and so fucking smart and the main thing - she understands politics and compromise. I'm still flattened.

[lokifan]

HRC is a straight up badass and she would have been an amazing president. Unbelievably qualified and so fucking smart and the main thing - she understands politics and compromise.

Yes. YES YES YES. She believes in deep change but she's willing to do it incrementally and get everything she can out of the system as it stands, which I find deeply admirable, and she could've... ugh I can't even talk about it any more. I was so excited.

[archaeologist_d]

I'm crushed as well. I also had some issues with her (hell, I have issues with Obama and he's awesome) but I thought she'd do an excellent job as president.
It's a trainwreck and what a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Pence is worse. I expect a lot of social safety nets to be gutted in the next year. I hope to hell that I'm wrong.

[kikimay]

Right there with you.

I was moved by her acceptance speech. She was so graceful and wise and calm while delivering it, showing far more grace than any other male president I've ever seen.

I've listened to some Italian "analysists" saying that she wasn't the right candidate and I'm so angry: it's not her fault if there are people willing to trust an orange potato rather than a woman. IT'S. NOT. HER. FAULT. Fuck off.

[lokifan]

Her acceptance speech was AMAZING. It must have hurt like hell. She's such a warrior, not least in her ability to smile through pain.

Ugggggh. SERIOUSLY. She is the biggest heavyweight in the Democratic party as far as I can see; she's been a Senator and Secretary of State, she's enormously qualified! AND when you look at who actually ran against her - Sanders wouldn't have come close to the votes she got, and he could never have been as good a president. His views are closer to mine than Clinton's in many areas, but she can COMPROMISE and get things done with Republicans in a way Sanders has been very open that he can't.

I agree with you so much. The fault lies with voters, not the candidate.

[khalulu]

Yeah. An intelligent, capable, dedicated workaholic woman, and flawed yeah like everyone, but when people say they hate her? There can't be any reason but that she's been a strong woman in the public eye for so long.

I live on the Left Coast where everyone is in "we have to stick together," be kind to strangers, dazed-after-a-disaster mode.

[lokifan]

SERIOUSLY. People repeat ideas about her like they're truisms, like they're so widely accepted we don't need to hear why they think that - she's corrupt, she's greedy, she's ambitious. It's fucking Lady Macbeth insanity.

I live on the Left Coast where everyone is in "we have to stick together," be kind to strangers, dazed-after-a-disaster mode.

*feels nauseous* Yeah, I can imagine. We're not even in the US but I came into work on Wednesday evening and the other four evening teachers were just sitting silently around the staffroom. It's unbearable.

[khalulu]

And in the personal microcosm of my life, like you I teach English to speakers of other languages, and I just got notice Monday I'll probably be laid off after December. I had hoped that after Hillary was elected, enrollment would pick up as people realized that the xenophobic demagogue was not elected. But. So now I get to try to think of other careers...