Thanks for your thoughts! I've been kind of, "Um, okay?" about the reveal, but this helped me think through some things.
GOD EZRA. They've had to bend over backwards to even keep him on the show, and I hate how he's right there alongside the likes of Caleb and Toby as if he's as good a guy. It really drives me nuts that the show is playing this weird game of condemning his behavior, but then ignoring it.
Oh, you're welcome! I definitely found writing this and reading a few other reaction posts helped me think it all through.
FUCKING EZRA. HAAAAAAATE. IDK I just... it's weird, because what we actually see on screen of Ezra, what he says and does - it hangs together and fits, and what it shows is a predatory, manipulative creeper who's in many ways Alison's opposite number - where she plays up being tough and scary and sexually experienced, he deliberately comes off harmless. And Aria's belief in him doesn't mean the programme shares it.
EXCEPT THEN THEY KEEP PUTTING HIM NEXT TO CALEB AND TONY AND PAIGE ETC. I just. I need him to be re-revealed as evil. If that happens it's perfection, if it doesn't that REALLY FUCKING DAMAGES all the feminist messages around predatory male authority and our teenage girls fighting back.
(I'm not always Toby's biggest fan, but Ezra is THE WORST.)
Thanks! I really love the Ezra/Ali scenes, they play off each other so well, and I do think they have some interesting parallels - as storytellers especially, and yeah in the images they try to put forward sexually
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I'm going to have to come back and read this properly when I'm less tired. The fact that I've only seen the first couple of seasons is leaving me totally confused.
So has the show finished completely now? I ask because while I gave up on it for reasons I've mentioned previously I'd be fascinated to read a really spoilery synopsis so I could finally know what is was all about.
Yeah, I had more or less the same response. I think CeCe had internal logic as a character. She is three-dimensional and makes total sense on her own terms, with her genuine humanity respected as much as any of the other characters'. More, really, since the episode explicitly tells her story through her own POV. It is absolutely amazing that the character went from omniscient supervillain to tragic antagonist to making me legitimately want her to survive and heal enough to have a real relationship with her sister, who totally loves her in that messed-up diLaurentis way.
But in context....yikes. I was wincing hard in memory of Hanna's line of insults.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo I want evil Ezra! SO MUCH. SO MUCH.
LOL, agreed. I don't think Ezra is smart enough to have been a satisfying Big A, tbh, but he is total villain material. I feel like it's going to be hard to avoid when we come back and Aria has become an adult but he is still the worst.
CeCe had internal logic as a character. She is three-dimensional and makes total sense on her own terms
Yes, exactly. And this is why the timeline stuff doesn't bother me the way it bothers some people, because she makes sense.
her genuine humanity respected as much as any of the other characters'. More, really, since the episode explicitly tells her story through her own POV.
*nodnod* It's hard, because this stuff exists in a context and I feel so much for the trans girls & women who feel hurt by this. But yes, I think it was really well-done. And as a reveal episode I loved seeing her story from her pov.
It is absolutely amazing that the character went from omniscient supervillain to tragic antagonist to making me legitimately want her to survive and heal enough to have a real relationship with her sister, who totally loves her in that messed-up diLaurentis way.YES!!! Cece is so much a diLaurentis and I just want the two of them (three of them, in fact, weird as that is!!!) to find a way into being siblings. And resisting
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GOD EZRA. They've had to bend over backwards to even keep him on the show, and I hate how he's right there alongside the likes of Caleb and Toby as if he's as good a guy. It really drives me nuts that the show is playing this weird game of condemning his behavior, but then ignoring it.
I liked Spencer's bangs. :)
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FUCKING EZRA. HAAAAAAATE. IDK I just... it's weird, because what we actually see on screen of Ezra, what he says and does - it hangs together and fits, and what it shows is a predatory, manipulative creeper who's in many ways Alison's opposite number - where she plays up being tough and scary and sexually experienced, he deliberately comes off harmless. And Aria's belief in him doesn't mean the programme shares it.
EXCEPT THEN THEY KEEP PUTTING HIM NEXT TO CALEB AND TONY AND PAIGE ETC. I just. I need him to be re-revealed as evil. If that happens it's perfection, if it doesn't that REALLY FUCKING DAMAGES all the feminist messages around predatory male authority and our teenage girls fighting back.
(I'm not always Toby's biggest fan, but Ezra is THE WORST.)
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I'm not a huge Toby fan either, but in comparison...
Curious to see where Ezra will be at after the time jump.
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So has the show finished completely now? I ask because while I gave up on it for reasons I've mentioned previously I'd be fascinated to read a really spoilery synopsis so I could finally know what is was all about.
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There are two seasons to go, but very nearly everything is explained so a super spoilery synopsis would work!
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But in context....yikes. I was wincing hard in memory of Hanna's line of insults.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo I want evil Ezra! SO MUCH. SO MUCH.
LOL, agreed. I don't think Ezra is smart enough to have been a satisfying Big A, tbh, but he is total villain material. I feel like it's going to be hard to avoid when we come back and Aria has become an adult but he is still the worst.
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Yes, exactly. And this is why the timeline stuff doesn't bother me the way it bothers some people, because she makes sense.
her genuine humanity respected as much as any of the other characters'. More, really, since the episode explicitly tells her story through her own POV.
*nodnod* It's hard, because this stuff exists in a context and I feel so much for the trans girls & women who feel hurt by this. But yes, I think it was really well-done. And as a reveal episode I loved seeing her story from her pov.
It is absolutely amazing that the character went from omniscient supervillain to tragic antagonist to making me legitimately want her to survive and heal enough to have a real relationship with her sister, who totally loves her in that messed-up diLaurentis way.YES!!! Cece is so much a diLaurentis and I just want the two of them (three of them, in fact, weird as that is!!!) to find a way into being siblings. And resisting ( ... )
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