Comments | littlehollyleaf: SPN 8.09

littlehollyleaf

SPN 8.09

Dec 09, 2012 18:43

I have watched the episode!

Phew. First one of the season I have not watched immediately. It was hard guys ( Read more... )

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My two cents... vectorcalc December 10 2012, 01:20:28 UTC

I'm a lurker, in case you're wondering who I am :) I found your thoughts really interesting, especially about Dean standing up for Benny and not for Cas. IDK, I ship Dean/Cas really really hard, but I wasn't really mad. I saw this as character development, actually, because he failed Cas the first time around and he's determined to stand by Benny this time. Also, standing up for Benny and saying that he never let him down makes sense. That's pretty much what he said about Cas in 6.20 - he vouched for Cas despite all evidence pointing otherwise until he got solid proof that Cas was working with Crowley. I think Dean's trust is given with consideration to history - if someone never let him down, then he would trust that person without reservation until proven otherwise. And he did greet Benny with a big knife - a really big one, which means that he was totally ready to decapitate Benny if he needed to ( ... )

Re: My two cents... littlehollyleaf December 10 2012, 09:37:15 UTC

Other people have pointed out the comparisons to Dean's overblown defense of Benny to the same with Cas in TMWWBK, so you're right. I babble about it myself in an extension of this review here on tumblr. It's something I, well, didn't miss, but dismissed I guess, because, of course, in TMWWBK it's PAINFUL to watch Dean's faith in Cas, because said faith had been LACKING all season prior and Dean is showing it right at the moment when it will cause the worst backlash when it finds out Cas ISN'T acting as Dean is assuming. So I resented that Benny got this support from Dean really early on in his story like this, so both of them could get together and help each other and... it was everything Dean showed Cas TOO LATE in S06, I just got a gut emotional reaction of sadness. It flavoured most of my reaction.

As to whether it's character development or not - well there's a nice analysis here that postulates Dean might not have grown, so much as he's just making similar mistakes with Benny as he has with Sam and Cas in the past. Namely ( ... )

Re: My two cents... littlehollyleaf December 10 2012, 09:37:29 UTC

Sorry this ended up being a bit unformed and sorry if I didn't address all your issues, I've gotta run now! Thanks for commenting, you make good points! If thinks are still unclear pls answer and prod me to explain, perhaps we can continue this discussion some more :)

Re: My two cents... vectorcalc December 11 2012, 07:27:54 UTC

Nope, this came across perfectly clear :) You're right about Dean putting people on pedestals and having everything end in disappointment, and you're completely right that it's not fair at all, but I find it hard to blame him. I think that deep down he knows that it's wrong, but he doesn't know any other way to show love/trust/faith, and he thinks that if he calls anyone out on his mistake, he'll just start the whole mess earlier. Dean's so pessimistic that he's turned into an optimist. I think part of it originated from his relationship with John. Now I think John did the best he could in balancing raising two young sons and hunting, but I think he seriously screwed Dean up, because he placed Dean on a pedestal to a certain extent and was a god-like figure in Dean's heart, so of course Dean, even now, equates love with putting people on pedestals ( ... )

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