Air Traffic Chatter Vetting? (NRT-LAX route, departures--taxiing, really.)
Hi all! I come bearing questions for anyone familiar with air paths and air traffic control (ATC) chatter. (If you are an ATC person I would LOVE to pick your brains!) I wrote a fic with some ATC chatter recently, and if you are familiar with Narita at all, could you please take a look and let me know whether the following makes any sense?
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Non-flight chatter is not allowed because, if someone else on your frequency needs to talk about something important they legaly can't interupt you(unless it's an emergancy).
I hope it helps.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG8dzLhvKx0 Australian Air landing at Narita with cockpit chatter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJom8LKUU9U Might be the best match? Go a bit of the way in and you can see the female air traffic controller directing a NW907 flight for takeoff. (If you want me to translate the Japanese narrator, let me know: they're waiting for another NW flight to land (26 minutes late) and a Luftansa flight also departing, so the runway will be clear for takeoff.)
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Q1/2/3 - THANK YOU. *sheepish* JL82 is the flight number, and CUPID was the first string I saw in this flight plan.
I didn't realize "Departures 121" was the handoff and frequency instruction! I'll change it to "Ground 121" because the handoff is to ground ATC. The link you posted is USEFUL--they have all the frequencies! ♥
New line: "Juliet Lima Sixty Two, you are cleared to Los Angeles via CUPID, Flight Planned Route, Maintain 42,000, Radar Departure. Contact Ground 121-point-95."From what I understand in my Google searches, I think that "squawk" is like a temporary assigned number/callsign of some sort that ATC gives the flight to be able to track it--maybe if the flight has a long and convoluted registration/number? I have never heard it in major airport context, but I got it off the VATPAC transcript I was copying (linked in OP) and figured since I didn't quite get ( ... )
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Radio conversation is not just communications with ATC - pilots can and should be talking to one another, it's just supposed to be for the purpose of making sure two planes know where one another are and don't collide with one another.
I glanced over the transcript, and yeah, it looks like that's likely a much smaller plane than you're dealing with, and a much shorter flight. 5000 feet ASL would be a perfectly normal altitude for a flight from sydney australia to melbourne australia, but across the pacifc, you're good with the 35 000 feet.
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Is this supposed to be a scheduled airline flight? Airliners conducting revenue flights operate under flight numbers and almost without exception use that as their radio identification, not their tail number.
Additionally, when identifying with a tail number, the callsign is typically the make and number, e.g. Learjet November One Two Three Four.
Question 1: Do flights request clearance/radar departure at NRT? Is that a suitable/appropriate way to do it?When leaving any controlled ICAO aerodrome under IFR, the flight needs to get both permission from the airport to taxi to the runway and take off, and permission from the wider air traffic control system to activate and execute their prearranged flight plan. The call to Clearance Delivery is to get the approval for the route between the aerodrome and the destination (or more usually, to some distance nearer to the destination, with further clearances being given as the flight proceeds). Once that is ( ... )
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Is this supposed to be a scheduled airline flight?
Yes, this is supposed to be JL 62 (NRT-LAX usually scheduled at 1705 daily) with fictional pilots. Thank you for the lovely explanation of how a commercial flight gets from gate to airspace! <3 And whoa, you're right, that is a TON of events.
Someone at NRT couldn't possibly clear a flight to enter another country; at very most the flight would be, at this juncture, cleared to the entry for the transoceanic track. Far more likely the clearance would only extend to some intermediate point.I hadn't realized the national borders would mean separate clearances (it makes sense in hindsight, of course.) How would I find an intermediate point to use instead of Los Angeles? Or should I just say "cleared for departure" since I don't have to write more than taxiing? (The scene stops before the runway, just past handoff from Ground to Tower without actually contacting Tower ( ... )
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Perhaps ONION? I really don't know. I don't think much clearance information is shared between ATC and the pilot; most of it goes to the dispatcher and then to the pilot some time prior to pushoff. There's a lot of information being transferred to and from dispatch.
Or should I just say "cleared for departure" since I don't have to write more than taxiing?
I'd perhaps ignore the IFR clearance entirely. The crew gets pushed back. They get the engines started and ready to taxi from the ramp to the taxiway, where they can't go without permission from Ground. They request taxi clearance from Ground. They get it. And off they go.
Does it come as a rapid-fire list of instructions in one go, or does it Ping-Pong back and forth as the plane reaches "waypoints"?Rapid fire. Step-by-step taxi instructions are called "progressive taxi" instructions and, ( ... )
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