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clanwilliam July 23 2012, 16:16:50 UTC
I suggest you go to Bing maps and select Ordnance Survey for the area you want. Byways are marked specifically and OS maps usually say if you're allowed to drive a car on them or not as well.

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alicephilippa July 23 2012, 16:17:43 UTC
The police would just call up air support to follow him and enable them to cut him off when he hit tarmac again.

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rhiannon_s July 23 2012, 16:32:33 UTC
That is what I was thinking. It only takes 10-20 minutes max to get a helicopter anywhere over their. Even if they go to ground the helicopter is just going to start searching from where ever they were last sighted using their thermal imaging gear. They'll pick up the car easy unless it is very well concealed in a building, once they've picked up a thermal signature of the suspect vehicle and think the suspect is on foot the next step is the dog unit. Its actually easier to evade a police pursuit in an urban area than it is in the countryside. I'd bet they could rustle up a 4X4 while the copper-chopper is locating them too, can't imagine peak district police not having a couple on call given their patch.

Plus I'd think there'd be a lot of tourists around, cyclist, dog-walkers, horse riders, etc and so on. Going on a high speed along green lanes sounds like the lead up to a fatal accident and manslaughter charge.

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sollersuk July 23 2012, 16:39:35 UTC
Plus of course the fact that any tourists etc would immediately call the police on their mobiles as soon as they saw someone speeding where they shouldn't; and with modern phones would probably give the precise location into the bargain.

This is a very crowded island, even the comparatively empty bits.

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bopeepsheep July 23 2012, 16:22:41 UTC
Experience from classmates' escapades when I was a teenager - what alicephilippa says about air support, plus the possibility of a motorbike or two joining in.

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sollersuk July 23 2012, 16:45:13 UTC
Oh, and an additional point: the police will pull all stops out if they have reason to believe he's 16.

1. No driving licence.
2. NO INSURANCE.

They really throw the book at you for that. And yes, there are helicopters and police motorbikes in that area, and this is not an unknown situation.

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nineveh_uk July 23 2012, 17:05:58 UTC
If I were an undercover agent with fake ID, I think I'd be inclined to make sure I had one that said I was old enough to drive!* More seriously, my experience of green lanes is that they are pretty narrow - certainly not guaranteed to take a Land Rover Defender. My neighbour has one (why?) and it's enormous. I'd imagine his best bet by far would be to dump the car and run for it in a likely place.

*Before someone points out that people can drive at 16 in the UK if they receive the mobility component of the Disability Living Allowance, I think that if the character's fake ID** stated this, the OP would have mentioned it, and the police might have spotted that his ability to walk was not so severely impaired as to endanger his life if he tried/he had no feet/was legally blind.

**Presumably passport/birth certificate. The former might mention it, but not the latter. Unless it was a fake driving licence that claimed he had no feet.

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bopeepsheep July 23 2012, 17:44:33 UTC
I feel obliged to point out that higher rate mobility component DLA is not limited to that very narrow set of circumstances - most people receiving it are not "endangering their life" by attempting to walk. One of the criteria is "unable to walk without severe discomfort, or at risk of endangering your life or causing deterioration in your health by making the effort to walk" which covers a lot of completely invisible conditions, and so the police would not necessarily spot anything at all. Were this relevant.

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nineveh_uk July 23 2012, 17:54:05 UTC
Well, I was going from the example categories listed on direct.gov.uk. I know there are plenty of other reasons to claim the higher rate, and many/most won't be visible on casual inspection, but if one is claiming to be allowed to drive at age 16 by reasons of e.g. severe epilepsy, that's also not going to be convincing.

Though I think that by the time one is fleeing from the police in a vehicle, the fact that ID one doesn't have on one says 16 is going to be the least of one's problems.

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major_clanger July 23 2012, 16:48:04 UTC
On the basis of many evenings unwinding by watching UK reality shows about local police forces, I agree with what's already been said: any serious attempt to escape is likely to result in air support being called in.

However, cameras - especially infra-red ones - work far less well in mist, fog or rain, so bad weather might help your character. It will also make the off-road driving rather more challenging...

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