yaey let's talk about yucky eye stuff

[bluebeard]

Okay, apparently English is fail (don't mind me, I'm a hater-bitch ;D) and "sleep" not only refers to sueño but also to lagaña. As in, sleep can be the noun that refers to the act of sleeping or dreaming, and also the noun that refers to the yucky mucus-like stuff that turns crusty when dry and you have it in your eyes most mornings after you wake

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[k0dama]

The sand thing is probably the same sand as in "Rub the sand out of your eyes," which both stem from the legend that the sandman sprinkles sand to make people sleep/dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandman

My favorite modern variant on this myth is The Sandman series by Neil Gaiman.

[bluebeard]

*squeeek* OIC. I didn't know. I am made of fail and haven't checked out Gaiman's The Sandman but I will get to it. I love everything the guy writes/does (thus far). :D

[tom_mouse]

It is biliyor musun? because the suffix is -iyor and vowel harmony works backwords (I mean like, the suffix changes depending on what's before it, you don't need to change the stem of the verb (bil-) to match the suffix), you don't need to change what's in front of the suffix.
Like, compare:

Biliyorsun - bilirsin
Görmüyorsun - görmürsün
etc.

I can provide more if you need it :)

[bluebeard]

wait, I am confused now... so are you saying biliyormusun (together, or separately?) is correct, or that it is bılıyormusun? maybe it'd help if you gave me the meaning? Turkish vowel harmony rules make me go "@_@" sometimes, heh.

[tom_mouse]

it's two words as far as I know (mu is a question marker, and forms a new word), and it uses the dotted-i, not dotless-i, because that changes the meaning of the word.

The key to harmony is that the harmony of suffixes follow what precedes them. Like the plural suffix -lar/-ler.
-lar adds to stems whose last vowel is a, ı, o, u
-ler adds to stems whose last vowel is e, i, ö, ü

Sorry, I'm not very good at explaining. If you're learning Turkish, it's all so wonderfully regular it all becomes second nature in no time :) Turkish is wonderful! (As soon as I have more time, I'm taking it up again)
http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/vh1.htm

[ubykhlives]

The problem you have here is that the present-tense suffix is one of those rare ones that doesn't undergo vowel harmony. The forms are -iyor ~ -ıyor ~ uyor ~ üyor; while the first vowel does undergo harmony, the -o- doesn't. Because of that, any vowels that follow the -o- harmonise with that, not with the vowel of the root. So bildiler is "they knew" (the 3rd-plural marker -ler/-lar takes the form -ler because of a preceding front vowel), but biliyorlar is "they know", and the marker -ler/-lar harmonises not with the verb root bil-, but with the -o- of the tense suffix. There's an etymological reason for why the -o- doesn't take harmony, but for the life of me I can't remember it.

Biliyor musun? means "Do you (plural or polite singular) know?" or "do you remember?", and musun is written orthographically as a separate word. (Though confusingly, from a purely grammatical point of view it's a pair of suffixes that form an inherent part of the verb, and there's no linguistic justification I know of for keeping them separate. Just one of

[tisoi]

In Philippine English, we call it "morning glory." The Tagalog term for it is muta. /'muta?/.

[tom_mouse]

Oh, God!!! Haha :)

[bluebeard]

loool morning glory.

[tisoi]

btw, there was a post about this 4 years ago. You may find some of the responses interesting

http://linguaphiles.livejournal.com/3599660.html

[viil_to]

The word erämaajärvi has both front and back vowels because it's a compound word: erä|maa|järvi.

[bluebeard]

Oh! So when you compound words together you don't need vowel harmony? I thought that you did, so every time you put words together you'd have to change the vowels, so erä|mää|järvi, lol.

[pikku_gen]

No, if you go changing vowels, you get new words. Erämääjärvi would mean... (aghh, long mental journey into the etymology of the word erämaa, getting back asap) something like "a lake of a batch of baas", mää being the sound of sheep baaing. And the "erämaa" being "an uninhabited place" comes from "an uninhabited forest" coming from "a forest where there is game" and erä meaning "a batch, a portion" of the game available/the game actually caught and shared between the hunters... I love sometimes how hunter/gatherer-oriented our language still is. XD

This probably made no sense whatsoever, but I had fun in my mind, in my language.

[schnuffichen]

German speaker here and yes, we use the same word, Schlaf. Though I'm not entirely certain if that holds for all of Germany, it may be a dialect thing (I'm from the North-East.)
Btw, this might be of interest. ;)