names in the british isles

Jan 29, 2006 18:06

I'm afraid I'm really ignorant on this topic, but I've been curious for awhile ( Read more... )

politics of language/political language, language history, toponyms

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ein_suender January 30 2006, 02:21:44 UTC
Ireland includes the whole island of Ireland (including Northern Ireland and northern Ireland), whereas Britain includes Scotland, Wales, England, Sealand, and Northern Ireland but not northern Ireland or Ireland. "The British Isles" includes Ireland (and Northern Ireland), England, Scotland, Wales, and outlying islands. Isn't that so clearly obvious? ;)

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Huh? tabouli January 30 2006, 04:48:55 UTC
What and where is Sealand??

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Re: Huh? markusn January 30 2006, 09:09:51 UTC
Sealand is a tax oasis installed on an offshore platform.

Frankly, I thought they were independent.

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fieryphoenix January 30 2006, 09:11:30 UTC
Sealand is a de-facto independent state, though. The Isle of Man would be a better one to include instead.

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beatle_becks January 30 2006, 02:35:08 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_britain

Yup, that's the gist of it - although, when you say 'Great Britian'; it's often assumed that N.Ireland's shoved in there as well.

... so, in the meaning of U.K - does that include the Falklands?

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kjell_bjarne January 30 2006, 06:35:19 UTC
black books!

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bluntmouse January 31 2006, 06:57:05 UTC
love love love love love love love black books :D

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amygooglegirl January 30 2006, 02:34:51 UTC
British refers to the citizenship of someone from the UK. Some people prefer to be called English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish, while others prefer to be called British.

It depends what is more important to people: either the UK as a whole, with Scotland/English/Wales and Northern Ireland as different regions in a way, or the part from which they're from.

(I personally prefer the term 'British'.)

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imluxionverdin January 30 2006, 03:45:14 UTC
I haven't checked the Wikipedia article, and I'm sure it's totatlly correct, but anyway I might as well post ( ... )

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socialismnow January 30 2006, 19:39:20 UTC
Now the other four countries, are, England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

I'm not sure whether most people would regard NI as a country, although interestingly no less an Irish Republican than Bernadette Devlin (later McAliskey) referred to it as such in The Price of My Soul (1969). She also used the term "Ulster" (which isn't strictly correct, and is used mainly by the Unionist community). I think Republicans must have become more language-conscious later on, because nowadays even the term "Northern Ireland" is considered to be politically charged among hardliners (although it is of course absolutely the correct term legally and constitutionally).

The first three are called Great Britain. Those four countries together, make up the nation state called the United Kingdom. The full title is, the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland.

Absolutely, although if one were to be pedantic about it, there's no comma.

One complication is that, despite the name above, which certainly proves that Great Britain refers ( ... )

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imluxionverdin January 30 2006, 20:26:04 UTC
Yes (and a separate judiciary too), also a partially separate educational
system and its own banknotes (Northern Ireland also has its own)!
And it's own parliament!!!!!!!!!!! You have the strange situation that a person can be elected somewhere in Scotland, by Scottish people, and then become an MP in the House of Commons, where the laws are made for the whole of the UK ... and a person can be elected in Scotland and be in the Scottish parliament where laws are made which affect Scotland ... but no person can be elected in an English constituency to the Scottish parliament ( ... )

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malvino January 30 2006, 20:15:28 UTC
However, the term 'British' means you are a citizen of the UK. I.e. it doesn't correspond to the term Great Britain.

Not quite, I'm British but not from Great Britain or the UK. This actually makes no diference to anything, but it's still a thing. Incidentally I could play sports for any of the home nations, or a GB team (I'm a Falklander).

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imluxionverdin January 30 2006, 03:45:31 UTC
"The FAW will not undertake anything that would jeopardise its position as a separate nation within Fifa and Uefa," said FAW secretary David Collins ( ... )

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