If there was a Mandatory Mandate for HPV

[mucilofamucil]

Libertarians often speak of government as a necessary evil, as we know there are times when all available options are unfavorable, though some options may seem more favorable to us. Let us consider the necessity that if government must take a role in a thing, we must support the legislation that benefits society most (I mean, detriments society the

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[ms_cantrell]

Let's face it: only reckless sluts benefit from this mandate.

you are a stupid ass. let's hope you don't spread any seed.

my general practitioner had a 47 nun with HPV. one of my best friends in HS had to have her cervix removed at 19 because of HPV. how did she get it? sexually abused in kindergarten.

i don't care how uncommon those two circumstances are - they're enough to refute your moronic statement.

[mucilofamucil]

sexually abused

You bring up a valid point with sexual abuse. Actually, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention it. The only reason I do not let it convince me to support a vaccine mandate over a vaccine ban is that the demographic of people with abuse-induced HPV is so much smaller than the demographic of everyone else, and everyone else's personal responsibility would suffer if we made the vaccine mandatory. My opinion is that personal responsibility of all of society is more important than the health of the people who would end up with HPV because of abuse.

And you know that nun had sexual activity; you don't get HPV from toilet seats.

[ms_cantrell]

one in three women experience some kind of sexual abuse/violence or rape in their life. when you toss in the communicability of the disease, it appears to be a rather significant amount of women who may contact HPV from non-consensual sexual activity.

[ghost_dance]

Sounds like jealousy.

[mucilofamucil]

Of what?

[petronivs]

Of me.

[mucilofamucil]

Well, I do like your name. "Adam Miller" is so much more powerful than my real name. Oh well.

no mandatory vaccines

[domiobrien]

I am not in favor of mandatory vaccines; as a parent, I evaluated the risks and benefits of various vaccines and made separate decisions on each one; my children did have tetanus vaccine, for example, but not that for pertussis.
That said, any person who has sex-- and, statistically, about 99.99% of American adults have had-- can get HPV, which is extremely common. HPV is the cause of most cases of cervical cancer as we've known for over 20 years), and there is some indication it may also be responsible for prostate cancer. Many married people who THOUGHT they were in a monogamous relationship have found themselves with a STI-- always a nice way to find out your partner is cheating! As with any vaccine, people should weigh costs and benefits.

Re: no mandatory vaccines

[mucilofamucil]

Jeeze, another comment about the commonality of HPV? Libertarians are so sheep-like for all their boasting about individualism.

Re: no mandatory vaccines

[domiobrien]

For all sexually-active people, the chance they've been infected with HPV is 50%; for a 50 year old woman, it's 80%. I'm 59, mother of two sons (31 and 28) and a daughter (19). They are all smart people, raised in a libertarian/pagan household, homeschooled, college-educated. I made choices about vaccines for them when they were young (tetanus, yes, pertussis, no, etc). They'll make their own choices now. It's a matter of information, and choice. I'm opposed to manadatory anything. But anyone who has ever had sex, and thinks they are not at risk for HPV, is an idiot. Your mileage may vary.

Re: no mandatory vaccines

[domiobrien]

The basic assumption back when I was an HIV/AIDS educator, 1983-1996, was that if you weren't using condoms correctly and consistently, if you'd had 3 sex partners, you were carrying at least one STI; if you'd had sex partners, you were probably carrying 2 STIs. Now the assumption is that if you've had sex at all, even WITH condoms there is a 50% chace you've been infected with HPV (condoms don't stop it) PLUS the same odds of STIs as previous estimates.

[evil_genius]

"only reckless sluts benefit from this mandate. "

I've seen plenty of estimations that place the number of infected in the US at more than 50% of the population.

So I guess you consider half of everyone you know to be a reckless sluts?

You are entertainingly hateful.

[mucilofamucil]

I've seen plenty of estimations that place the number of infected in the US at more than 50% of the population.

My comment here applies to this as well. We already know that the statistic is compatible with my claim, as it is well known that at least half of the population is stupid.

You are entertainingly hateful.

What I do is done in love. It's like maligning women just to raise consciousness about women's rights. Not all that appears to be bad is bad, nor necessarily intended to be bad.

[evil_genius]

oh my bad you're a poor troll.

don't let me stop you.

[evil_genius]

Shocking that you're a member of christianity.
Oh wait, no it's not.

[gunslnger]

He's just a troll there too.

[evil_genius]

Thanks for the heads up.

[mucilofamucil]

I was a troll there. That community is so boring for discussion. I keep it on my list so I don't have to wait for another approval just to ask a quick question.