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thisficklemob in liberalrage

Breaking: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

Jan 07, 2007 00:43

It's always the apocalypse you're not expecting. Israel plans to nuke Iran's nuclear facilities.

ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons ( Read more... )

war, iran, israel

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anne_jumps January 7 2007, 05:55:02 UTC

Well, yay.

thisficklemob January 7 2007, 06:02:36 UTC

I was all ready to read something soothing and go to bed...

That whole "softening up public opinion" angle, where they say they'll nuke Iran's nuclear facilities, and instead they just bomb them with the regular old WMD? Sorry, not gonna work. I'm not gonna think they're reasonable and measured in their actions if they don't actually nuke somebody. I'll think they're raving psychopaths for even considering it, and utter bastards for threatening it.

For all the media makes hay out of Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be wiped off the map, exactly one country has actually threatened to nuke the other one. And if Iran gets nukes, all it means is a MAD scenario. I'm anti-proliferation, so that would also suck, but I think it's a little ridiculous the way Israel is running around like someone lit their panties on fire at the very idea that anyone except them have nuclear weapons in the Middle East... and their first response is "nuke 'em!" It makes it seem like they want to be able to nuke their neighbors at will. I know they're ( ... )

claudia_yvr January 7 2007, 06:50:47 UTC

For all the media makes hay out of Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be wiped off the map

The ultimate irony is that he never said that. Here's an excerpt from the Manchester Guardian about some of lies and distortions about this conflict ~Ask anyone in Washington, London or Tel Aviv if they can cite any phrase uttered by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the chances are high they will say he wants Israel "wiped off the map ( ... )

thisficklemob January 7 2007, 07:02:48 UTC

I did dimly remember that, about the Ahmadinejad quote being wrong, but I didn't have the article to hand. Thanks for the link! I should have been more precise in my language: they make hay out of saying he said that. Even if he had, it's not in the same realm as actually planning to use nuclear weapons.

I remember hearing some ridiculous percentage of Israel's workforce is employed by the military in some way - 40%? It makes you think about how the intertia and economic realities of a military-based economy make a country more militaristic.

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sigrun January 7 2007, 06:00:35 UTC

It's probably an unpopular opinion, but stuff like this makes me not like Israel ('s government) one bit. And hate ours just a little bit more. (The whole thing where Israel can do whatever the heck it wants because of what the Bible says doesn't work for me. I prefer governmental decisions based on, well, reason & logic.)

It's so freaking hypocritical for the US & others to get all huffy about Iran's nuclear program and not Israel's, when at least Iran is part of the IEAE (I'm not saying that Iran's in anyway right in possessing nukes, but they've at least made the attempt to be decent about it).

sigrun January 7 2007, 06:03:34 UTC

Er, I meant The IAEA. I'm not good with acronyms.

thisficklemob January 7 2007, 06:10:59 UTC

It may be unpopular, but you're not alone in this. I thought the way Israel conducted its war on Lebanon last summer was despicable, and our government despicable for enabling it: by delaying and neutering U.N. resolutions calling for a ceasefire, and by continuing to supply weapons to Israel throughout.

And it is hypocritical, especially when they're threatening to use nukes to stop Iran from getting nukes, supposedly because Iran would nuke them. Um, maybe, but on the other hand, maybe Iran having nukes would just mean you couldn't nuke them. I'm against Iran getting The Bomb, don't get me wrong, but I remember Mutually Assured Destruction with the U.S. and the Soviet Union. There were some scary moments when the nuclear clock got close to midnight, but the stalemate held. Now Israel's threatening to wind the clock forward, and that doesn't make them look very good.

xiaomi January 7 2007, 17:37:54 UTC

What a mess. :( There's a cognizable risk that someone like Ahdmadinejad would attack Israel, with nuclear or conventional weapons, if he ever felt that the current government of Iran were at risk of falling; the sad truth is that it'd be a quick way to unite the people behind the Republic. But this isn't exactly a great solution, it plays into his hands and allows him to push his "fact" that Israel is going to attack Iran ( ... )

thisficklemob January 7 2007, 20:32:32 UTC

That Lebanon fiasco was largely a result of, in my opinion, the fear running rampant right now that the walls are going to come crumbling down.

I agree. I also think it was meant to set back Lebanon's economy about twenty years because they were looking more like competition, which was the one thing it succeeded at. I mean, besides making all the other countries in the Middle East respect/fear Israel's military less, and driving the Lebanese into the arms of Hezbollah.

That may be partly what this is about, trying to regain the fear, but what it'd really be is more like terror, and it would provoke more of the same in response.

The US is a much better partner for Israel when they agree to be "BFF" with Israel, but then serve as a restraint rather than an enabler.Exactly. I chose the term BFF partly for its connotations of immaturity and lack of good judgement - I associate it with junior high school girls - because I don't think we're being good friends to them when we encourage whatever their hawks want to do. And I don't ( ... )