The Guidance of Islam

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(A note in general; I am not an Islamic scholar -- nor a scholar in Islamic traditions. And even such scholars do not agree with each other on these topics. My descriptions below are necessarily simplistic, and I encourage you to pursue this on your own if interested.)

A question arose on a quotation from the Palestinian charter that I posted

Comments

[deckardcanine]

Stupid ninth-grade history textbook. Told me Muhammad respected Judaism. More so than he respected Christianity, anyway.

[level_head]

There are many apologists -- and they effectively change the conversation about fixing the problem to one of being bad people for pointing out that there IS a problem.

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[chipuni]

The quote you give has a parallel in the New Testament:

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

-- Revelation 6:15-17.

I think that there's plenty of bloodlust in the Old Testament, as well...

The king’s edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate the armed men of any nationality or province who might attack them and their women and children, and to plunder the property of their enemies.

-- Esther 8:11

[level_head]

The first one is, as you said, a counterpart. Instead of "Stones, tell us where they are hiding so we can kill them," it is "Stones, hide us

[partywhipple]

Not really sure that the call to defend yourself from people who would destroy you is the same as the call to destroy non believers. Seems like a stretch to me. Not that the Old testament doesn't have violent acts in it. But there is nothing in the New Testament which calls for violence against our enemies. It calls for the opposite, actually. Not sure why when people are bashing Christianity they always leave out the main part which makes it so we're not just Jewish...

[level_head]

The previous thread got interesting.

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Tahnks for this interesting post

[anonymous]

I appreciate you discussion of the violence in the old testament as not necessarily a recommendation to do that now. I need to read this post more carefully but the contrast between a command to subjugate non-believers versus trying to convert them seems pretty clear. Your approach is better than so much of what see which is just to find some scary passage in the Qur'an but not compare that to the Bible.

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Re: Tahnks for this interesting post

[level_head]

Thank you.

There is, indeed, a large distinction to be made. A couple of previous posts go into that in more detail -- and debate.

Nice to see you here.

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I'd like to point out...

[justgoto]

The Jews don't hide from Muslims.

Inversely... Muslims hide; not behind rocks or trees, but women and children.

There may be a translation irregularity?

Re: I'd like to point out...

[polaris93]

ROFLMAO!

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