Okay, okay, you got me to click and now my navel feels all weird and tingly and it's all your fault ::stares hard at navel, navel remains stoicaly unresponsive:: I too love Buffy and Angel and the whole damn, glorious thing way more than is probably healthy, and you have reminded me again of just how much. IWRY was never one of my favourites either, except that I love it against my will, I love Buffy and Angel happy because I know it can't last, I love their struggle and their pain and longing, and trying to do what is right even though all they want is to be allowed to be happy, to live like people shomehow, even if it's just for a little while. And the end, the 'not enough time,' thing makes me cry every time I see it. Ouch.
I've been thinking about doing the big rewatch too, but it's always so much more fun when you get to do it with other people. Maybe we need the great LJ Buffyverse rewatch 2006?
You can't see it, by my navel is virtually hugging your navel.
I guess the thing about IWRY is I loved the shippiness, I just thought all the other elements, like the plot and some of the dialogue and stuff, was really sub-par. But, I don't know, last night I was thinking about it, and about how much I love B/A, and how much I love seeing them happy, and I realized that totally beat out over the lame monster and stupid Oracles and all the other stuff I didn't like. I mean, I still don't like those things, but in a weird battle between my id and sense my id just won.
Wouldn't it be awesome if we all started rewatching it together? I just think it would be, I don't know, so connective for fandom. But while we might be able to get a group of people it doesn't seem likely that masses of ljers will agree and decide to go at it together.
Word on Joyce. I guess because I have such great parents, she drives me nuts. Actually, what drives me nuts is I felt like the writers thought she was a decent parent, obviously they weren't trying to make her the best mom ever, but I don't think they were trying to make her the worst mom ever, either. But every moment when I felt like the writers were trying to make me say, hey, Joyce isn't that bad, or awww, Joyce, I just totally am not there. She fucked up way too much for me to forgive her, and 3/4 of the time when she is expressing affection for Buffy there are hidden barbs there. Just, ugh.
But I think Buffy was great even before Giles. But yeah, Giles was a wonderful parent figure for Buffy. He made mistakes, but I could forgive them. I wonder what she'd've been like without Giles? Probably a little more like Wishverse!Buffy.
Yeah, it was like a tide of shipper love totally burst the Berlin wall, behind which were stodgy voices saying, "lame plot, lame monsters, lame deus ex machina" ad naseum. Kinda like how Angel was all, "let's be mature" and then she touched him and he flew to her, a river flowing.
I also like "I Only Have Eyes For You" now. The Soviet Union is gone.
You know, IWRY isn't even in my top 5 episodes of BtVS/AtS, but I still really love it, despite the high melodrama and my better judgment. It's guilty pleasure goodness. The two are just absolute gold together, and seeing them happy for once was so great (chest-licking, what's not to love?) that it makes the ending all the more painful.
And seriously, that last scene? Possibly one of the best performances for both actors.
Am I the only one that actually grew to really love Joyce? Especially what they did with her character in S5, I thought she was the sweetest mom in the television world. At first, she's pretty dreadful, but it was realistic that she got better at the single mom thing as the years went on.
Exactly. And I always loved all the B/A parts, and always really enjoyed that aspect, A LOT, but I don't know, all the plot aspects and such annoyed me too much for me to really love it. Except now I've changed my mind, shown my true colors. It's funny because just the other day I was talking about how I don't change my mind very much. Possibly I AM fickle. Huh.
Am I the only one that actually grew to really love Joyce? Especially what they did with her character in S5, I thought she was the sweetest mom in the television world. At first, she's pretty dreadful, but it was realistic that she got better at the single mom thing as the years went on.
Lots of people love/like/sympathize with Joyce. But for me, she's the only character in Buffyverse I absolutely despise. Have you ever seen Gilmore Girls? I think Lorelai is a good example of a single, exceedingly flawed, really excellent tv mother. Of course I only saw the first three seasons so she might've went down hill after that.
You got me to click the cut, but if I were on the Lost island, I would totally not press the button. I'm a rebel like that. I just knew you'd have fun stuff to say.
I'm rewatching Btvs from the beginning too! Except I started awhile ago, and am now up to season 6. I love this show. So damn much.
My weird crush was a cartoon - um... that guy from Anastacia. Don't remember his name, but he was voiced by John Cusack. Who I have never had a crush on.
I started reading that AOQ guy's reviews too, but stopped when the end of the semester exploded, and completely forgot about it. I've got a ways to go before I'm allowed to read the IWRY one.
But yes, the ep rocks like a rocking thing as did the whole series, both of them, and Buffy and Angel and Spike and Gunn and Wes and Xander and all of them.
Dimitri! Yes, that's it. But now that I'm thinking about it, Shang may surpass him in freaky-crush-worthiness.
I was getting a little down with the negative things AOQ said, but the positive parts are fun and reinforcing. And I just love, love when he speculates about what could happen later. It makes me feel wise and all-knowing.
And yay no exams! I am sticking around here until graduation late May. Which is great, because I get to enjoy the area without having any real obligations. And it's springtime! I'm going to be outside all the time! Yay!
I need a Shang icon, one that mentions cross-dressing.
Yeah, I find myself all disappointed in him when he doesn't like an ep I like and obviously doesn't see the things I see. I hate how he can't appreciate Cordy, too. But yeah! I love reading knowing what happens. I wish I hadn't spoiled myself when I first watched the shows.
Oh, you have time to soak up all the collegey goodness. I remember I was a little sad to go, which was weird, because I really didn't like my last year, and the year before that I'd been abroad anyway. I hope you make the most of your time.
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I've been thinking about doing the big rewatch too, but it's always so much more fun when you get to do it with other people. Maybe we need the great LJ Buffyverse rewatch 2006?
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I guess the thing about IWRY is I loved the shippiness, I just thought all the other elements, like the plot and some of the dialogue and stuff, was really sub-par. But, I don't know, last night I was thinking about it, and about how much I love B/A, and how much I love seeing them happy, and I realized that totally beat out over the lame monster and stupid Oracles and all the other stuff I didn't like. I mean, I still don't like those things, but in a weird battle between my id and sense my id just won.
Wouldn't it be awesome if we all started rewatching it together? I just think it would be, I don't know, so connective for fandom. But while we might be able to get a group of people it doesn't seem likely that masses of ljers will agree and decide to go at it together.
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But I think Buffy was great even before Giles. But yeah, Giles was a wonderful parent figure for Buffy. He made mistakes, but I could forgive them. I wonder what she'd've been like without Giles? Probably a little more like Wishverse!Buffy.
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Here's some table sex.
I love IWRY. It's completely un-American not to love that ep! I just knew you wasn't one of them commies!
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Yeah, it was like a tide of shipper love totally burst the Berlin wall, behind which were stodgy voices saying, "lame plot, lame monsters, lame deus ex machina" ad naseum. Kinda like how Angel was all, "let's be mature" and then she touched him and he flew to her, a river flowing.
I also like "I Only Have Eyes For You" now. The Soviet Union is gone.
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And seriously, that last scene? Possibly one of the best performances for both actors.
Am I the only one that actually grew to really love Joyce? Especially what they did with her character in S5, I thought she was the sweetest mom in the television world. At first, she's pretty dreadful, but it was realistic that she got better at the single mom thing as the years went on.
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Exactly. And I always loved all the B/A parts, and always really enjoyed that aspect, A LOT, but I don't know, all the plot aspects and such annoyed me too much for me to really love it. Except now I've changed my mind, shown my true colors. It's funny because just the other day I was talking about how I don't change my mind very much. Possibly I AM fickle. Huh.
Am I the only one that actually grew to really love Joyce? Especially what they did with her character in S5, I thought she was the sweetest mom in the television world. At first, she's pretty dreadful, but it was realistic that she got better at the single mom thing as the years went on.
Lots of people love/like/sympathize with Joyce. But for me, she's the only character in Buffyverse I absolutely despise. Have you ever seen Gilmore Girls? I think Lorelai is a good example of a single, exceedingly flawed, really excellent tv mother. Of course I only saw the first three seasons so she might've went down hill after that.
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I'm rewatching Btvs from the beginning too! Except I started awhile ago, and am now up to season 6. I love this show. So damn much.
My weird crush was a cartoon - um... that guy from Anastacia. Don't remember his name, but he was voiced by John Cusack. Who I have never had a crush on.
I started reading that AOQ guy's reviews too, but stopped when the end of the semester exploded, and completely forgot about it. I've got a ways to go before I'm allowed to read the IWRY one.
But yes, the ep rocks like a rocking thing as did the whole series, both of them, and Buffy and Angel and Spike and Gunn and Wes and Xander and all of them.
Even Joyce.
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I was getting a little down with the negative things AOQ said, but the positive parts are fun and reinforcing. And I just love, love when he speculates about what could happen later. It makes me feel wise and all-knowing.
And yay no exams! I am sticking around here until graduation late May. Which is great, because I get to enjoy the area without having any real obligations. And it's springtime! I'm going to be outside all the time! Yay!
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Yeah, I find myself all disappointed in him when he doesn't like an ep I like and obviously doesn't see the things I see. I hate how he can't appreciate Cordy, too. But yeah! I love reading knowing what happens. I wish I hadn't spoiled myself when I first watched the shows.
Oh, you have time to soak up all the collegey goodness. I remember I was a little sad to go, which was weird, because I really didn't like my last year, and the year before that I'd been abroad anyway. I hope you make the most of your time.
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