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ladyofthesilent

Will, Bill and Jack

Feb 24, 2007 13:25

Though I know some shippers cannot stand Will, I think he and his story are far from being as boring as is suggested by some.

His backstory (or rather his father's) is pretty interesting, and from what we've learned so far, directly linked to Jack's.

Will was obviously born in England, the legitimate child of William Turner and his wife ( Read more... )

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ladyofthesilent February 25 2007, 07:41:46 UTC

For me, nothing in DMC was OOC, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. I've been a HP-fan for years, but I really thought book 6 was utter crap and OOC for half of the characters (Tonks and Remus ?!?!?), whereas a lot of people came to like the series, just because of HBP. So I guess it depends ...

I didn't like PotC before DMC came out, and I won't deny that I thought the characters in that movie much more interesting than in the more one-dimensional first one. Actually, I do not really feel inspired by a guy who is in love with his ship, a damsel in distress and a poor but passionate blacksmith - but a vexed pirate, an angry young man and a kick-a.. heroine really made the series for me.

But that's just my opinion ... I was never into Jack/Will-Slash, though, and I am rather put off by OCs of all kinds.

veronica_rich February 25 2007, 07:49:34 UTC

For me, nothing in DMC was OOC, but I can definitely see where you're coming from.

I think what you mean is, you didn't like the established *original* characterizations, and were happy to see them change - you say as much yourself later in your comment: I do not really feel inspired by a guy who is in love with his ship, a damsel in distress and a poor but passionate blacksmith - but a vexed pirate, an angry young man and a kick-a.. heroine implies things are different in DMC from CotBP

So yeah. DMC *was* OOC. You just like it better. :-)

ladyofthesilent February 25 2007, 08:21:49 UTC

Agreed :)

voilesnoires February 27 2007, 21:41:21 UTC

I didn't like PotC before DMC came out, and I won't deny that I thought the characters in that movie much more interesting than in the more one-dimensional first one. Actually, I do not really feel inspired by a guy who is in love with his ship, a damsel in distress and a poor but passionate blacksmith - but a vexed pirate, an angry young man and a kick-a.. heroine really made the series for me.

I get that, but, now that you're a fan, have you gone back and watched CotBP through the glasses of your new perspective?

Cause, call me crazy, but I saw the potential, within the characters, to be all that they are now, even then. Things have gone almost exactly the way I'd expected/hoped they would, given my own assessments. And if the spoilers are any indication, I'm only gonna be all the more pleased in May.

Wonderful stuff, once again, I'm gonna have a lot to think about.

ladyofthesilent February 28 2007, 09:37:34 UTC

I get that, but, now that you're a fan, have you gone back and watched CotBP through the glasses of your new perspective?

Oh, of course, and watching CotBP from a DMC perspective, I rather like it. Not to say I didn't like it before, but I would never have written fanfiction or spent half my waking hours thinking about the characters ;)

Still, I think it's funny my favourite scenes from CotBP are among the deleted ones. I absolutely adore the extended island-scene, when Jack tells Elizabeth that there's "no truth at all", and I also think that the scene between Norrington and Elizabeth as well as the "Peas in a pod"-scene are much more true to the characters as they appear in DMC.

voilesnoires February 28 2007, 20:34:42 UTC

Oh yeah, I was livid when I first saw the scenes that they cut. I imagine that reason (and this may be shipper bias, but it makes sense to me) is that had they left those two scenes, things would have gotten ... foggy. Jack and Elizabeth already had more screen time than Will and Elizabeth, and they did again in DMC, so adding those two scenes, I guess, would be insult to injury.

Not that I'd mind.

:]

ladylavinia March 4 2007, 06:22:12 UTC

There is a scene in DMC I find rather odd. If Jack and Elizabeth is meant to be, why is it that the only time Jack had expressed any signs of jealousy happened when Tia Dalma had focused her attention on Will?

Now, in CotBP, Jack did express a little silent jealousy or regret, when Elizabeth kissed Will. But I saw no signs of any jealousy in DMC. Instead, when Will had appeared on the island with the chest (the name eludes me) and Elizabeth runs out to greet him, only Norrington displayed any signs of jealousy. Jack seemed more concerned with the fact that Will had escaped from Davy Jones. And a little earlier, when the compass (which was in Jack's hand) points to Elizabeth, instead of wondering if she is what he wants, Jack immediately assumes that what he wants is underneath Elizabeth. And he assumes . . . correctly.

Now in DMC, Jack did express lust for Elizabeth . . . and possibly affection. But why did he fail to show any jealousy when she greeted and kissed Will on that island?

ladyofthesilent March 4 2007, 06:28:31 UTC

Well, I think he did ... and besides, it wouldn't be in-character for Jack to show open jealousy; he tends to play his cards close to his vest, so to speak, and I honestly doubt he'd wear his emotions (especially those he loathes himself) on his face. But as has been said, this may be super-bias, based on shipping-preferences - and please don't turn this discussion into another shipping-debate. Please ... *puppy dog eyes*

voilesnoires March 5 2007, 18:33:48 UTC

No shipping debate here. :] Obviously the subject is going to come up when we're discussing character analysis, but I, personally, try to avoid, or at least point out, any obvious bias.

voilesnoires March 5 2007, 18:30:12 UTC

I think the reason he showed a bit of jealousy with Tia Dalma is that she was "his" first, as Elizabeth never has been. We know that she and he had some sort of relationship in the past, so maybe that was a motivation for his irritation, and maybe, also, the fact that Will is, in his eyes, young, an inexperienced, and a "eunuch", and he's basically all, "WTF I'm Captain Jack Sparrow!"

Also, the way she chides him about the compass, "Jack Sparrow does not know what he wants," and TnT's now infamous "waffles" analogy, provides proof about his true feelings for Elizabeth, but, for whatever reasons he has, some of them obvious, some, not so much, he wants her, but at the same time, wants to be as far away from her as possible. It's a bit more complicated, from what we've seen so far, than his relationship with Tia Dalma.

I also tend to agree with ladyofthesilent, that Jack isn't one to express his jealousy openly, and, another factor, he's probably already accepted the idea of Will and Elizabeth as a unit. He's always known them together, and it's ( ... )

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