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leiascully December 27 2013, 05:45:11 UTC
The angels were into the Time Crack in Flesh&Stone/Time of Angels too, so I wasn't too bothered by that, though sometimes the "And then there were a lot of attacks for a while I guess" bits seemed a bit rushed.

Overall, enjoyable! And I wept at Amy. I enjoyed Tasha, though I didn't feel like she was River.

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ladymercury_10 December 27 2013, 05:50:26 UTC
Ahh, I had forgotten about the Angels falling into the crack, that's an interesting connection!

I think I will be happier if she and River turn out to be separate people, but she's pretty cool either way.

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claudiapriscus December 27 2013, 05:58:17 UTC
I enjoyed it too. It did a good job of making me believe Eleven was ready to bow out, which I would have found impossible. With Ten, I'd reached a point by the end of series four where my feelings were best described as "don't let the door hit you on the way out" but the 50th anniversary special just made me want years and years more of 11, so I was skeptical that this episode was going to be able to make his goodbye seem anything but arbitrary. But they did a good job with that. (I really don't understand the criticism that Moffat/Eleven don't/are incapable of emotional storytelling, because man, I feel it. And sometimes I feel like episodes are like fic-as-meta, you know where someone writes something that just encapsulates so well thoughts on a character or theme ( ... )

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ladymercury_10 December 27 2013, 06:14:33 UTC
understand the criticism that Moffat/Eleven don't/are incapable of emotional storytelling
That's a thing people say? Wow. Because the number of times this goofy space show has made me cry, seriously....

I can definitely see some of the episodes as meta, though, especially ones like "The Doctor's Wife."

Oh wow, you're right! I haven't seen Fringe, but she is really different in that clip. She must have really good acting range. :)

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claudiapriscus December 27 2013, 18:38:15 UTC
It's more than a thing people say, it's practically conventional. It's become the critical consensus too. Here's a good example: http://www.avclub.com/article/which-doctor-who-showrunner-did-it-better-105869 :
"Steven Moffat does indeed write toward the coolest and most surprising plot twists, while Russell T. Davies writes toward the emotional climaxes. Because the premise of Doctor Who is so vast, they both end up cutting some narrative corners in pursuit of those moments. I can see why some might argue that Davies’ approach is richer or more fulfilling, but it’s still worth remembering how much of the apparent plot of his stories is just a means to that emotional end. "

(and you can see it repeated ad nauseum in the comments too)

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ladymercury_10 December 27 2013, 19:10:18 UTC
I think I'd heard the "Davies' character arcs are stronger, Moffat does more plot twists" thing, but I didn't realize "Moffat's stories are unemotional" was a common criticism. I guess I kind of stopped paying attention to Doctor Who commentary outside my flist a while back, though.

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eve11 December 27 2013, 15:38:01 UTC
the clothes gag...it was funny but definitely in that embarrassing way that makes one kind of cringe. I think it was all a convoluted way to get the wig its own cameo. I loved the way he delivers the "I know" line when Clara tells him, "Your ears are like rocket fins" :D He seems so proud, like Nine telling Rose the police box is a disguise ( ... )

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ladymercury_10 December 27 2013, 17:14:46 UTC
That was pretty great, how proud he was of his ears sticking out.

I had forgotten about Ten's regeneration clone, yeah! That makes more sense.

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eve11 December 27 2013, 17:20:43 UTC
Right, but I see folks saying that "Handy" counts as an incarnation... I would argue that the regeneration counts as a regeneration, because original Ten would have died from the Dalek blast had he not regenerated and healed himself. But the incarnation stayed the same. So it's not that 10.5 is an incarnation of the Doctor. It's that Ten used up two regenerations on the same incarnation. People are counting regenerations and then saying that the regenerations are incarnations. If that's true then David Tennant's doctor himself (and not the Handy version) was both Ten AND Eleven. Or if you like, Eleven and Twelve.

I mean, it makes perfect sense to me, why can no one of the complainers figure this out? Haha then I look back on my paragraph that I just wrote and go 'yeah, okay'.

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ladymercury_10 December 27 2013, 17:31:35 UTC
Ahh Doctor Who science. :P

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mikomichan December 28 2013, 08:40:58 UTC
I was not spoiled for Amy's appearance and as such was completely unprepared and cried like a little girl :( it was a fun if somewhat convoluted ride and I'm sad to see Eleven go, even if I'm a little excited for Twelve!

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ladymercury_10 December 28 2013, 20:58:02 UTC
I can definitely see it being a crying moment. And I'll miss Eleven, too, although it will be fun to see where they take things with the new Doctor!

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a_phoenixdragon January 5 2014, 04:18:05 UTC
Right?! I thought the 'clothes' were a riot - and being naked to church made a weird kind of sense. I mean, we ARE talking about Eleven here -

And 'forgive him, he's Swedish'?! OMG. I DIED.

And yeah, the android boyfriend. WHY SO KINKY ELEVEN? Hee! I giggled myself sick!

This was a perfect post in soooo many ways!!

*HUGS*

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ladymercury_10 January 5 2014, 04:32:00 UTC
It was really funny. :P

And thanks! *hugs back*

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