Actually, I agree. Wesley always seemed to suffer from excess pride and pomposity, which only seemed to be shaken by the end of season 3.
When you think back to Buffy S3, he spends a lot of time telling everyone what to do, despite the Scoobies' blatant rejection of his leadership.
Does Wesley suffer from slight racism? Possibly. But a lot of Wesley's animosity towards Gunn may spring from his recognition of Gunn as threatening to his desires to further his career within Angel Investigations. Because Gunn proved multiple times his ability to lead a team.
And Cordelia doesn't come in to the equation because Wesley never sees the woman as a threat professionally, as his liasons with Lilah proved.
Your comments made me remember about that certain aspect of Wesley's personality. It could be why my feelings for him have always been at best . . . mixed.
Jeez, it's only been about 3 years since I would've watched that season, and yet all of this went completely over my head.
I suppose it says something about the state of sexism and racism in this society that the white male took charge instead of the white female or the black male (even though Wesley's Watcher training wasn't worth crap until he came on Angerl, whereas Gunn's been dusting vampires for years) and nobody even questioned it. Because, I submit, that's what we've been socially programmed to expect, so as long as you don't make a point of it, the audience will go along without really thinking about it.
And I can easily see how "Wesley leading in the field" could degenerate into "Wesley's the boss" if they didn't make the distinction clear on-screen, which I don't recall that they ever did. Certainly, I never made the distinction when I was watching it.
Anyway, I agree with you, that's seriously messed up: Whedon and Minear should've been much more careful not to let this sort of thing happen. Of course, That Old Gang of
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re-organization with Angel's return
anonymous
January 8 2009, 11:08:38 UTC
I was under the impression, based on the fact that Wesley took Angel's office, comments he made later in the season regarding people "putting him in charge" and telling his parents that he was the leader (or boss, I can't remember anymore), that when the agency once again reorganised and moved back to the hotel Wesley had taken over the position as "boss" (possibly only so that Angel would have a direct superior to boss around, but boss none the less) bu this could have only been based on my fan need to rationalize.
Re: re-organization with Angel's returnfelaries65June 26 2009, 15:05:15 UTC
Charles and Cordelia had agreed that Wesley should be in charge of actual cases regarding the supernatural. This does not mean that Wesley had the right to fire Charles . . . who was a partner in the firm.
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When you think back to Buffy S3, he spends a lot of time telling everyone what to do, despite the Scoobies' blatant rejection of his leadership.
Does Wesley suffer from slight racism? Possibly. But a lot of Wesley's animosity towards Gunn may spring from his recognition of Gunn as threatening to his desires to further his career within Angel Investigations. Because Gunn proved multiple times his ability to lead a team.
And Cordelia doesn't come in to the equation because Wesley never sees the woman as a threat professionally, as his liasons with Lilah proved.
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I suppose it says something about the state of sexism and racism in this society that the white male took charge instead of the white female or the black male (even though Wesley's Watcher training wasn't worth crap until he came on Angerl, whereas Gunn's been dusting vampires for years) and nobody even questioned it. Because, I submit, that's what we've been socially programmed to expect, so as long as you don't make a point of it, the audience will go along without really thinking about it.
And I can easily see how "Wesley leading in the field" could degenerate into "Wesley's the boss" if they didn't make the distinction clear on-screen, which I don't recall that they ever did. Certainly, I never made the distinction when I was watching it.
Anyway, I agree with you, that's seriously messed up: Whedon and Minear should've been much more careful not to let this sort of thing happen. Of course, That Old Gang of ( ... )
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but,i guess a wes fan like me would say that.you made a good point there though.nice rant <3 (:
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