Who are We to Fight Ourselves in Other People's Beds

[ladylade]

Title: Who are We to Fight Ourselves in Other People's Beds
Rating: R
Summary: Kate was always going to end up broken, because Kate breaks herself.
Pairing: Derek/Kate
Warnings: Kate. No really. (Also, Kate has sex without actually wanting to, so there's a sex that has a rape-victim mentality in it.)
Disclaimer: Please take this head-canon away from me.

Comments

[muku_muku]

omg Kate! I have so many Kate feels to augh S1 was a rollercoast er Kate no Kate bb nooOOooo.

I've always wondered about her backstory and how she ended up taking down the Hales on her own, and this makes a lot of sense, especially considering grandpa Argent's recent creeping on lbr EVERYONE.

her soft spot for Derek HURTS like oh god they're both so used. 8(

[ladylade]

I really kind of hated Kate, like she's the kind of person that I might respect but that definitely makes me aggressive towards irl. But she really interests me, because she's clearly broken and has twisted that around to be something that she uses to strengthen her--and not in a good way, in a way that's destructive towards everything. So.

(I have this weird head-canon that Kate actually had feelings for Derek, and that she still has feelings for Derek, but that she blames Derek for pretty much everything. Sometimes I hate my head-canons.)

Thanks for the comment!

[wickedvirtue]

Noooooooo! Kate feels! (And also Derek feels, but when aren't they there, really?)

This was a fantastic take on the backstory and I kinda want it to be true, despite how much - and the way - Kate gloats when she meets back up with Derek. I'm just going to believe time twisted her as much as doing this at all must have.

Thanks? ;)

[ladylade]

Thank you!

(Everything is Derek feels all the time. But maaaaan, if he were anyone else, I would be fucking pissed as shit at how he's acting this season. Okay, I'm pissed, but I still love him.)

I've always got the feeling that Kate broke herself somehow. It really hit home for me when she's in the Hale house with Allison, and Allison says that the person murdering everyone must be crazy, and Kate says, "Sometimes you just need a reason." I don't know if Kate broke herself before she met Derek, but I definitely think that the whole seducing-Derek-then-burning-his-whole-family-who-were-innocent-and-also-had-humans really fucked her up. (Also, I feel like her pedo-vibe is a direct result of seducing Derek.) And I definitely think that Kate managed to convince herself that she really was in control and not at all attached to Derek, as a kind of defense mechanism from self destructing.

[ladylade]

Thank you!

[fays]

This is just asdjasjdkasjhf. It's brilliant, like I actually feel for Kate. You did this amazing job of creating a balanced portrayal that makes Kate more than just the evil villain. Seriously, amazing job.

[ladylade]

Thank you so much!

I think the most startling and horrifying thing about Kate is that she's human. If Kate's character was written in a story without werewolves, where she had murdered humans, we would consider her a monster and, to some extent, we would separate her away from the idea of being a human being (not to say we don't consider her a monster in Teen Wolf). I think the best thing about Kate's role in Teen Wolf is that we're forced to confront the fact that she is a human, that a human is capable of such a terrible act of destruction--especially juxtaposed against Derek, who is quite literally a monster but who is more human than the entire Argent family combined. So the question for me is, how did she get that way? And I really do think that the socialization her family brought her up in, and her conviction to be what her family wanted her to be, had a big role in how she essentially broke herself.

[fays]

You're making me wish that Kate was still around, which in itself is a bit horrifying but, at the same time, there's so much potential when it comes to her character. Although, I think I prefer your take on her to anything the show could've come up with. On a side note, I'm adding everything you just said into my headcanon. I never really took into account the juxtaposition of the monster/human issue when it comes to Kate and Derek, and it just seems like such a fundamental part of how they'd view themselves as well as one another.

[ladylade]

I'm really glad Kate is gone. I've got this weird thing where I empathize with how she might have become what she became, but I don't sympathize with her at all. Like, I really fucking hate her as a person--the pedo-vibe thing combined with just how manipulative she is, like, if she were a person I knew in rl I would aggressively keep away from her. There definitely was a lot of potential with her character, and I think she had a much bigger significance than the whole "this is how Derek is a wounded creature and this is how we will be turning shit to eleven in season two," but I think her arc ended the only way it could. Which is with her dead. Very, very dead.

[sinclair_furie]

This was amazing. And also kind of horrifying to read, so MANY FEELINGS.

[ladylade]

Thank you!

I really should have put my "I'm sorry I keep vomiting feels" tag on this. Because I truly am sorry my brain came up with this, for everyone's sake.